Okay, so If god created us … why is it a sin to be gay etc? If god made us did he not decide that we be this way. Being gay, lesbian etc isn’t a choice it’s how your born. So why is it a sin to have a relationship with the same sex if it was god who created us all to be individual and different?
many times it is a choice or bad influence/surroundings. Also there are people who found healing from same sex attraction.
It is a choice.
I think we have to be clear that the attraction is not their choice…
CCC 2358: “The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.”
a combination of genetic, hormonal, and social factors determine ones sexuality, no one knows for sure but the thing is it is the act that is sinful not being gay, Single straight people have to refrain from sex also. I’m sure all sin comes from disordered desires of the mind/heart, lust for example can be contained or let loose the choice is there sin or not to sin is the question.
I don’t understand this. I look at someone - I find them attractive. I don’t “choose” to find them attractive. They just are.
Different for you?
Then choose to be gay. Just for a day.
Let me know how it goes.
I think he meant that the lifestyle, and the homo sex, is a choice not the attraction itself.
Among the general population, 2.2+/-0.4% has SSA; among those raised by homosexual ‘couples’, 30% have SSA…that disparity strongly suggests a learning process rather than a genetic one.
Are you saying the Church teachings are wrong?
As far as being Catholic is concerned we are required to rise above our base animal instincts and develop our spirits so that they become acceptable to God. When it comes to animal appetites we can be stretched to our limits but if someone is serious about their development they must employ self control whether they’re heterosexual or otherwise.
What makes you so sure a person is “born with it”
That is not what CCC 2358 says. That is a pervious version of the catechism that was changed a couple years later.
CCC 2358 reads:
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
List of changes made to the Catechism in 1997: https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=220
It’s important to be clear about what the catechism actually says.
The church teaches that same sex attraction is not a sin, but it is often experienced as a cross that can be born with the help of grace.
Well you don’t wake up and just decide to be gay or lesbian. Just like you yourself don’t wake up and choose to be heterosexual? When you think of having sex with the same sex I doubt you say ‘I’m not doing it, it’s a sin’ I’m assuming you say ‘I don’t do it because I am not sexually attracted to the same sex species’?
I agree, it’s not a choice. You don’t wake up and decide who you are attracted to and wether you want to be gay or straight today.
If it’s a choice then why would people who are anything but heterosexual I.e gay, lesbian choose to be that way knowing the hard life they may have to endure for example being outcasted, bullied and murdered? I doubt it very much that they choose to have their lives destroyed by homophobic and wake up thinking this is fun let’s be gay today and be bullied and discriminated against
Sin when is it not a choice?
What complete blindness. After original sin we are drawn to all sorts of discorded vices. We have to fight that tendency. Homosexuality is also one of those perverse tendencies that we have to fight against. We are not born gay any than we are born murders ! We chose freely to deviate from the path that God has set out for us. This is the whole question of grace and virtue, vs. the devil, the flesh and the world !.
Just because God made us doesn’t necessarily mean that He made everything about us. We as human persons are good, God even said so Himself in the creation account in Genesis. Our nature is good, but it is broken, due to fallen nature. We can be selfish, impatient, etc. just like we can have homosexual attractions. All of these are broken, perverted forms of truly good things. God made us with the good things, and our fallen nature resulted in broken, perverted forms.
This doesn’t necessarily mean it’s okay. It does mean it’s not sinful to feel that way per se, but a lack of culpability does not equal goodness.
This isn’t about being individual or different. We are all individual and different, regardless of our sexual orientation.
Please note that the sin lies in acting out homosexual desires, not the attractions themselves.
Again why would people choose to be gay if they know they can be murdered etc and have a terrible life caused by others if it was a choice? I believe that in life If you are kind happy and considerate to other humans and species of this earth that is all that matters. If your a good soul this too will also be seen by god for example helping the poor, giving to others, helping charities etc you can do all that and be gay and a good person. If your not hurting anyone by your sexual orientation then isn’t that important too?
A lot of young people rebel. When I was a kid, we might smoke cigarettes as teenagers or “huff” lacquer, or do other things to show our independence and stick it to the man.
Nowadays, nothing irritates many adults more than a boy getting into a dress and saying he’s gay. So they do it.
They get a lot of reinforcement from the media- programs like Will and Grace idolizing homosexuals, much like cigarette commercials made smoking cool and adult for us.
Once a young person gets involved in homosexuality or cigarette smoking, they become accustomed to it and can’t quit so easy.
Okay so for example there was someone in my area who killed himself because he was gay and his parents were against it so he never came out until he left a note. he lived a sad depressed life because he felt he could not come out openly and say he was gay. He lived his life quietly and to keep others happy … which the end resulted in him killing himself. Isn’t allowing him to be who he wants to be and be happy more important than him taking his own life. Now his parents have lost a son simply because he couldn’t live his life how he felt he wanted to