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I've looked through my past messages from her and she did mention that she attends a non-denominational church, but was actively seeking out a Messianic church. I was attacked pretty viciously by one of her friends whom she called a fellow "leader." These were her responses to me that I copied and pasted:
Alberto Rivera is not a liar and you sir do not have the truth in you therefore you are of your father the devil for he comes for not but to kill, steal and destroy. Your works are exposed and your Jesuit ways did not take long to show up either.
Wherein pray tell did you insult Yahshuah other than you defend the harlot known as Roman Catholicism? If you are referring to Alberto, he is hardly my hero, but rather a sojourner on this earth whose time came to an end at the hands of the catholic church administration. Defend them, go ahead, Jesuits are well trained in murder, deception and in obfuscating the truth so as to subvert other branches of the cult you refer to as "christian". It is no secret your founder was an evil man, no secret that the majority of popes were also evil and some merely misguided. All were deceived and those who came out of deception were handed the cup of Borgia. Albino Lucianni the latest victim, although there is talk of his predecessor having also been a victim, not to mention John Paul ll. No use in denying the Albino Lucianni murder, his relatives are known to me and I am fully aware of what happened and how it was covered up. As for Alberto's widow, Nuri, she can tell her own story of how she was approached by the vatican representatives to accept their generous offer of one million dollars to tell them where Alberto's body was buried so they could do a "proper" catholic burial. Good for her on refusing! She is one who truly walks in the Way as did her husband, Alberto. Looks like you have a lot to smoke in your pipe today Jesuit sympathizer. But tell me Jesuit, is it lawful for catholic priests and nuns to throw live babies into a fire? Is this what your doctrine teaches you? I have proof of this by the way, by not merely one account either. Spitting nails yet buddy? Yes, your father the devil for you display NO DIVINE nature in you, you are NOT a partaker of the divine nature and may never be UNLESS you REPENT of your wicked ways and forsake your evil path. Pretty simple really. Repentance = Eternal Life Sin = Death"
My friend deleted this thread after we talked privately and was regretful that these attacks were directed at me. I have been able to privately refute her friends wild claims and really seem to have her interested in my point of view. She has confided some personal history of her upbringing. Is it naive of me to think that with rational discussion, exposure of lies, and kindness, that I can get her to re evaluate her position?
WoW! You got the full uncut uncensored Esau = Rome version! Well, I'd wait until your asked to return the temple treasures from the Vatican archives, that will probably ice your cake!
I've been through that kind of discussion and much, much more. By the time I left that past group board - years ago, I didn't know what to think about my religion or any religion. The Catholic bashing that I received left me pretty numb - I was just starting out. You know, when Christ began his ministry to the people, he could have come across to them pretty harsh - but he didn't, he wept. He wept for the city and the people. When reading Nehemiah, as I do the Lord's prayer - the first thing that comes to mind is forgiveness. Nehemiah had asked for God's forgiveness:
19 “Because of your great compassion you did not abandon them in the wilderness. By day the pillar of cloud did not fail to guide them on their path, nor the pillar of fire by night to shine on the way they were to take. 20 You gave your good Spirit to instruct them. You did not withhold your manna from their mouths, and you gave them water for their thirst. 21 For forty years you sustained them in the wilderness; they lacked nothing, their clothes did not wear out nor did their feet become swollen."
and in the Lord's pray: "Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil."
....it took me along time and years of reading and praying to know and understand the compassion of God, we are all searching for him. Also, no matter what denomination that we come from, we are all allowed to come before in our prayers because of his son - Jesus opened that gate to us at a price, no one else paid it but him. On a side note, if I read you post correctly, you are a Jesuit - this religious order has brought a great many blessing to our family back home. My father was not a really religious man although he comes from a family heritage that has many ministers but it took a close friend (a Jesuit) to bring him back to the church. When I very young, my father received holy communion for the first time and I remember being very proud of him as this memory had left a very deep impression within me. You know what the best verse in the book of Acts? the one Peter received "9About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12It contained all kinds of four–footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat." 14"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean." 15The voice spoke to him a second time, "*Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." *