[quote=GAssisi]I believe Bible Christians are indeed closer to the NT Church than the Roman Catholic Church or the Orthodox Church.
Really, how so. Were you around to provide an empirical comparison? Didn’t think so.
[quote=GAssisi]It is useless for you to appeal to post-biblical history. We all know that the apostasy was already present even DURING NT times. There is no reason for me to believe that the Church Fathers were true to the apostolic church.
And you have given us no reason to believe that the Church Fathers were not 100% faithful to the Apostolic Church. Non-sequitor arguement.
[quote=GAssisi]We can see this struggle or tension between the true NT church and the new apostatized church played out even in the earliest Fathers. For example, one sees that even in Ignatius of Antioch’s time, there was no clear distinction between the office of bishop and the office of presbyter. The false distinction was imposed by so-called “apostolic churches” because of the infection of desire for more secular power, as the administration of churches began to more closely mirror the administration of secular governments.
This seems to be more speculation than anything. Where is your evidence for this?
[quote=GAssisi]Already as early as Justin Martyr’s time, we can see this apostasy at work, since he gives a certain honor to Mary that is not even present in the Bible.
Which honor would that be? Could you provide us with some specifics, rather than just making an unfounded accusation with the assumption that it is true?
[quote=GAssisi]So your conclusion #5 is valid, but it is far from being sound because there is a missing premise that you have not proven – that the faith and practice of the NT church is indeed identical, or at more closely related to, the faith and practice of the post-apostolic church/ Catholic/Orthodox church.
You have not proved, nor disproved anything, my friend. You have made some very interesting commentary, that taken in total, mean nothing, except to you.
[quote=GAssisi]If you Catholics and Orthodox just stick to the Bible, you would not fall into so many errors.
- This makes the assumption that the Church falls into error without providing any examples of the errors they fall into.
- Where was the bible during the first 400 years of the Church for the Church to follow. By necessity, the Church HAD to be apostolic and traditional, as the canon of Scripture was not yet determined.
[quote=GAssisi]Greg, the Devil’s Advocate
Scott LaFrance, the Church’s Advocate.