Bill Clinton Went to Jeffrey Epstein's Island With 2 'Young Girls', Virginia Giuffre Says In Unsealed Document

I hear about abortion all the time. I don’t hear much about chastity.

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Neither of which proves anything.

His personal view of it doesn’ tmatter, as long as his policies are prolife, which they are. Similarly, there are a lot of Democrat politicians who claim to be prolife but who act as pro-abortion as Planned Parenthood itself.

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Actually, I would argue that the personal views of the politicians and their actions matter a great deal as it opens the whole movement up to charges of hypocrisy when they support someone whose personal behavior is the sort of behavior that results in the pregnancies that often end in abortion (85% of all abortions in the US are performed on unmarried women).

False argument. First of all you know nothing about Trump’s present sexual behavior. Nor do you know his past except for the fact that he had an affair with his second wife before they married.

That does not in any manner reduce the guilt of those who support the Democrat party and, by so doing, support killing a million children in this one country alone, per year.

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Maybe your acquaintences’ regret their decisions re abortion and are now embracing a POTUS that more closely aligns with their beiefs🤨

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Oh, I know quite a bit more and have detailed it before and you have chosen to ignore it. One thing that even you would have to admit is he never repudiated his past behavior and even made jokes about sexual conquests to the Boy Scouts.

Given the wide breadth of Catholic social teaching, it seems that one can justify voting for either major party or neither major party by using one’s well-formed conscience. It’s not the black and white that those responsible for great crimes seem to seek out.

Can you provide proof that trump has participated in abortion(s) ,or are you making a braised assumption,which in and of itself is sinful.

Actually, you have demonstrated none of that.

No. That’s protestantism, not Catholicism. Pope Benedict made it very clear that you can’t support an abortion-supporting politician other than for an equally grave reason, of which none are in the political contest today. The U.S., Bishops conference also made it clear that abortion is the No. 1 issue in the current election.

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Trump was openly pro-abortion… but yes, he has obviously changed his public stance. (Though he still favours abortion for rape and incest).

This post of yours rather amazes me … the thread is about Bill Clinton - a known long term serial abuser of women that included both while he occupied [and therefor sullied] the Governors office in Arkansas where he also used state employees to enable his adulterous and abusive behavior and the man who as President of the United States continued that abusive behavior in National Office. As President Bill Clinton took advantage of a young intern and was accused of rape of another woman.

That same Bill Clinton traveled with Jeffrey Epstein - on his plane multiple times including the island, and visited Epstein’s NYC residence.

Bill Clinton was elected to the office of the presidency [twice] while the electorate clearly was aware of his abuses of women while governor of Arkansas - and many of those voters were Catholic. No one was surprised that he committed adultery with an intern in the Oval Office and the Press and Democrats at the time said this was a non issue - it was merely sex between two consenting adults [even as some of the woman clearly indicated they did not consent].

Yet you want to make this about Trump - who has not been accused of having used or abused any woman while in office and most allegations are over a decade old …

The Epstein/Clinton trip to the Island occurred post presidency - Thus we can ascertain that Clinton did not easily change [if he indeed did] from his adulterous behavior and with - possibly - underage females.

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Of course I have. You just choose to ignore and then claim I never presented it the next time we discuss it.

The faith-filled voter is asked to make the complex judgment: Which candidate will be likely to best advance the common good through his office in the particular political context he will face? There is no mandate in universal Catholic social teaching that gives a categorical priority to either of these issues as uniquely determinative of the common good.

85% of abortions are performed on unmarried women, so I know the behavior of Trump is the sort of behavior that most often results in abortions.

It’s a conversation and conversations do not strictly adhere to a single topic.

Actually there is. Your argument is relativistic and profoundly non-Catholic. Abortion is the preeminent political/moral issue today.

http://www.usccb.org/about/leadership/usccb-general-assembly/upload/usccb-forming-consciences-faithful-citizenship-introductory-letter-20191112.pdf

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Especially when an individual would rather deflect from the real subject/topic and project that upon another to make them appear to be the real culprit :wink:

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Yes, I have read it. A careful reading shows that there are more than a single issue that Catholic voters need to consider when making a decision. There are at least ten salient goals emerge from the Gospel and the long tradition of Catholic faith:

  • The promotion of a culture and legal structures that protect the life of unborn children.
  • The reversal of the climate change that threatens the future of humanity and particularly devastates the poor and the marginalized.
  • Policies that safeguard the rights of immigrants and refugees in a moment of great intolerance.
  • Laws that protect the aged, the ill, and the disabled from the lure and the scourge of euthanasia and assisted suicide.
  • Vigorous opposition to racism in every form, both through cultural transformation and legal structures.
  • The provision of work and the protection of workers’ rights across America.
  • Systematic efforts to fight poverty and egregious inequalities of wealth.
  • Policies that promote marriage and family, which are so essential for society.
  • Substantial movement toward universal nuclear disarmament.
  • The protection of religious liberty.

Frequently in discussions of the application of Catholic social teaching to voting, the question is raised whether one issue has a unique priority among all of the other issues in its claim upon believers in the current election cycle. Some have categorized abortion in that way. The designation of abortion as the preeminent question in Catholic social teaching at this time in the United States will inevitably be hijacked by partisan forces to propose that Catholics have an overriding duty to vote for candidates that espouse that position. Recent electoral history shows this to be a certainty.

You’re free to talk about Clinton if you would like. I am not stopping you.

None of that changes the fact that, for the Popes and the bishops, abortion is the preeminent issue facing us today.

Nonsense. It is the bishops who say that, not some “partisan forces”. You have been arguing that Catholics should take a relativistic “primacy of conscience” and entirely protestant point of view. You shouldn’t do that, but you are doing it. That’s the real “partisan” (Democrat) point of view here.

I should clarify that I don’t paint all protestants with the Democrat pro-abortion brush. Many Evangelical and Fundamentalist protestants are prolife and understand that if human life is held at nothing, then no other issue matters.

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Just as I thought,nothing more than a biased assumption,also called culumny

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It is, but it is not the only issue.

The bishops do not hijack the issue, partisan forces do. Like what you are doing here.

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