Oh, I’m sorry, I must have written the analogy badly:only one stole the car, the other one got a car legitimately (buying, borrowing with permission).
The church seems to be convinced that the creator is obsessed by one particular aspect of human life, more than anything else.
Not necessarily more than anything else, but 2 points: one, sex is indeed a very important activity because it is a privelege of sharing in God’s creating of His highest creation. God could make us each Himself, but instead He allows us to share in this process.
Second, we live in a time when the idea of the sinfulness of immoral sexual activity is completely lost, exchanged for the idea that sexual activity is practically a health necessity!
When the world looks at a problem, say, ebola in West Africa, does that mean there are no other problems in the world? No, it just means that ebola is a very *big *problem. In the same way, yes, gluttony is still a sin, but people are more aware of it as a problem.
Judging by the angst it produces for so many posters here, it has a huge effect on people lives
There is a high rate of angst shown here for two reasons: 1. people who do not have angst don’t post about their lack of angst, and 2. people with problems come here to discuss them.
and, therefore, is a huge source of power for the church over its members.
This has nothing ti do with power. The task of the Church is to help people attain Heaven and to avoid spending their eternities burning in Hell.
While it wasn’t the sole reason for the sex scandals, it was probably connected. Forced celibacy and then the double whammy of no private ‘relief’ of sexual tension. So the tension gets all pent up and…well, it finds an outlet which at worst causes others grief and at best just causes corrosive guilt.
Sorry, this just is not borne out by any evidence of anything at all. An extremely small number of priests, many if whom should never have been allowed into the priesthood, were unable to do what the *vast *majority of priests do.
I believe there used to be rules for when, where AND how…there may still be. What is the origin of the ‘missionary position’?
You believe… do you have any evidence?
Sex is an appetite.
And like other appetites needs to be governed by the will or by reason. When people do not govern their appetites, they generally end up sinning.
We have other appetites too. There used to be lots of rules for the ‘food’ appetite but I think the Christian church abandoned those. Gluttony is on of the 7 deadly sins yes…
Have you noticed the difference in reception between an apparent glutton and a “player” like James Bond?
but have you really seen anyone make themselves sick in order to go back to the table and eat more?? Bulimia is a mental health problem - not gluttony.
No, but many people eat too much despite its giving them terrible heartburn, gout, and obesity.
The point about throwing up to allow one to eat more is that forcing oneself to vomit is frustrating the end of eating. Eating is for nourishment. Getting rid if what one has eaten gets rid of the norusohment. By frustrating the end if eating in this way, one can eat more.
In the same way, using abc frustrates the end if sexual activity and allows one to partske more in the pleasure of the act.
Are all fat people sinful? They can be fat without being what you might call gluttons.
No, I’m not really asking…I understand your thinking behind ‘being open to life’ but I also see that it’s a question of degree. You are being closed to it when you fight the sexual urge and sleep in a different room to your spouse! You are closed to it when you decide to be celibate and not to marry.
No, i think that you do not understand the meaning of the phrase “being open to life.” It does not mean that you are trying to conceive (which can also lead to difficulties and angst, as I have read here and elsewhere). Being open to life means that one recognizes, accepts, and respects the procreative aspect of marital activity. Using abc instead if refraining shows a lack of acceptance of this aspect.
You don’t like abc because it thwarts what you (or the church) has decided is Gods will.
God was very clear about His will wrt sexual activity.
I think God might be much more interested in how one treats one’s fellow man.
Let’s look at what He actually says:
St Matthew 22:36:
“‘Master, which is the greatest commandment in the law?’
Jesus said to him: ‘Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind. This is the greatest and first commandment.’”
How do we love God? Christ said, “If you love me, you will obey my commanents.”
“‘And the second is like unto this: Thou shalt love they neighbor as thyself.’”
So we see that the first commandment is to love Gid, and that to love God is to obey Him. Loving our neighbor comes second, but is the most important law wrt earthly life.