How sad. Death toll for a US marines 1950.
Death toll for US Marines is not 1950.
Marines, sailors and soldiers are taking the enemy out and taking and holding ground. They are doing their jobs. Related threads:
Yes. It is sad, especially when you consider that as of today another 15,000 American soliders have been crippled for life over there. Too bad… Bush just made another speech the other day about his plan: just keep fighting over there, basically forever. In other words, we could have troops over there fighting for nothing for another 5, 10, 20 years - whatever. Remember, it’s their job.
It’s become obvious. Bush doesn’t know how to win the war… and the Iraqis seem to have lost 1 or 2 billion earmarked for weapons, so we have to fill in for them, I guess: Take the same villages again for the third time. Getting blown up on patrol. Fighting house to house. Four years into the WOT (war on terror, undeclared). No end in sight.
One shouldn’t start a war, unless he knows how to win it. Bush is too weak to win. But he wants to make the world safe for democracy anyway: a lost travelers dream burried under a hill.
[quote=mdzialo1]Bush just made another speech the other day about his plan: just keep fighting over there, basically forever.
Then you missed a major point in the speech.
The President outlined in the speech that our coalition, along with our Iraqi allies, are moving forward with a specific military plan. Province by province, area by area, city by city, we’re conducting offensive operations to clear out enemy forces, and leaving behind Iraqi units to prevent the enemy from returning. We have many troops working for improvements in the lives of Iraqi citizens and we are consulting in the rise of an elected government that unites the Iraqi people against those who attacked us on 9/11, extremism and violence. We need to keep in mind that work like this is done at great risk for Iraqis and for Americans and our coalition forces. To quote the President:
*Some observers look at the job ahead and adopt a self-defeating pessimism. It is not justified. With every random bombing and with every funeral of a child, it becomes more clear that the extremists are not patriots, or resistance fighters–they are murderers at war with the Iraqi people themselves. *
In contrast, the elected leaders of Iraq are proving to be strong and steadfast. By any standard or precedent of history, Iraq has made incredible political progress–from tyranny, to liberation, to national elections, to the writing of a constitution, in the space of 2½ years. With our help, the Iraqi military is gaining new capabilities and new confidence with every passing month. At the time of our Fallujah operations 11 months ago, there were only a few Iraqi Army battalions in combat. Today there are more than 80 Iraqi Army battalions fighting the insurgency alongside our forces. Progress isn’t easy, but it is steady. And no fair-minded person should ignore, deny, or dismiss the achievements of the Iraqi people. …
As Americans, we believe that people everywhere – everywhere – prefer freedom to slavery, and that liberty, once chosen, improves the lives of all. And so we’re confident, as our coalition and the Iraqi people each do their part, Iraqi democracy will succeed.
For more information see the briefing that Gen. [/font]David Petraeus gave the other day. He has recently returned from Iraq, where he was [/font]in charge of training Iraqi forces. He noted that “Level 2 and above is the data point we look at,”—Iraqi troops able to take the lead. By his numbers there are 30,000-some troops now, enough to take the lead in operations like the Tal Afar offensive (Operation Restoring Rights) and to [/font]take over cities. The clear message of Petraeus’s summary is [/font]that we have made much progress in training Iraqi troops and that we are positioned to make much more progress in the months ahead.
Wars are not won without sacrifice–and this war will require more sacrifice, more time, and more resolve. It is not a time to quit because some have died. Our troops over there know that.