Breaking it Down

We are all Christians. But people often break down the sects of Christianity. That’s fine and often needed for discussion, but those people need to make sure to do it with reguards to Church structure, beliefs, etc. So, I’m going to do it for you guys to make things easier. I have researched and referenced many sources for this and while I may not mention all sects of Christianity, I think it will be easy for everyone to find their place.

Protestant:
While this title is tricky, it is easy to determine those who fit nicely under it. These groups most often broke away from others who broke away instead of directly from the Catholic Church and agree to no real presence in Communion. They often do not subscribe to the creeds (Apostle, Nicene, Athanasian) that Catholic Churches do. They are listed as such…

  • Presbyterian
  • Baptist
  • Methodist
  • Pentecostal
  • Church of Christ

Catholic:
"This can be much easier to define because the splits were directly from the Catholic Church itself. These churches believe in an apostolic church, as well as, real presense in the eucharist/communion. The major differences occur in thoughts on Church authority, as well as, salvation through faith and/or works, which has been recently agreed upon. All of these strands of thought date back to the first century.

  • Roman Catholic
  • Evangelical
  • Anglican

Non-Christian:
This is a real interesting concept. I say that because the following churches often consider themselves christian while other churches do not. They are often marked by not believing Jesus as the Son of God and part of God, but instead as a mortal man. Also, the Godhead is often split into three distinct and seperate parts, no unified trinity exsists. And in some cases, the practice is neither religious or scientific.

  • Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormon)
  • Christian, Scientists
  • Watchtower Society (Jehovah’s Witnesses)

I hope all of this helped people. It just makes for easier understanding of the fundamental beliefs of each sect of Christianity and also addresses our similarites, as well as, our differences.

Interesting about your description of non-Christian religions. I have a coworker who is a “nondenominational” Christian. When I mentioned the Trinity she told me I was way off. Apparantly her pastor is teaching that Jesus is the Son of God and NOT a part of God. They do not believe in the Holy Trinity! That TOTALLY blew me away!

So Bryan, do you think that the Roman Catholics, the Orthodox, Anglicans, and Lutherans are all part of the mystical church which Christ built on Peter?

You said that all these strands of thought date back to the first century. I am not sure what you mean by that statement. Do you mean that the views have been held by people since the first century, or that there has been an Evangelical and and Anglican church since the first century?

*Evangelical * is not a Church or even an identifiable denomination; it is a loosly defined school of thought within Protestantism. Anglicans do not have valid apostolic orders, hence they are not Catholic. Only the Catholic Church is Catholic.

Apparantly her pastor is teaching that Jesus is the Son of God and NOT a part of God.

Jesus IS the Son of God and NOT a part of God. The doctrine of the Trinity asserts that Jesus is the Son of God and He is WHOLLY God, not a “part” of God.

[quote=Fidelis]*Evangelical *is not a Church or even an identifiable denomination; it is a loosly defined school of thought within Protestantism. Anglicans do not have valid apostolic orders, hence they are not Catholic. Only the Catholic Church is Catholic.
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I think the Lutherans are refered to as the Evangelical church.

The classical division is Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant. Even Protestant authors use this division (see Protestant author J. Leslie Dunstan’s book *Protestantism). *

If you believe in a 66-book Bible, believe in Sola Scriputura, Sola Fide, you are Protestant.

Protestant author J. Leslie Dunstan, in his book *Protestantism, *wrote the following:

Protestantism is one of the three main divisions of the universal Christian Church, which together with the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Churches make up one world-wide religion. Protestantism is the most recent of the developments within Christianity, having a relatively short history of slightly more than four centuries; the other two branches of the faith have histories going back to the earliest days of the Christian era. Moreover, compared to the unity which characterizes those other branches, Protestantism is divided within itself among hundreds of separate organizations, some of which deny all relationship to others. The many denominations and sects have differing beliefs and carry on a variety of practices, which give them the appearance of being distinct from one another. (p. 9)

[quote=jimmy]I think the Lutherans are refered to as the Evangelical church.
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I’ve never heard of the Lutherans refered to as evengelicals. I also thought they were independant non-denominational churches. I thought Lutheran fell under protestant.

[quote=jimmy]I think the Lutherans are refered to as the Evangelical church.
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well, that’s what you get for thinking… :smiley:

evangelical does not refer to any particular denomination (there are even evangelical catholics! :eek: ). i think this list is botched and it disturbs me even more that the author says he “researched” this. i find myself wondering if he is lying or read one source which was way off. i hope it is the latter.

[quote=Bryan]Protestant:
While this title is tricky, it is easy to determine those who fit nicely under it. These groups most often broke away from others who broke away instead of directly from the Catholic Church and agree to no real presence in Communion. They often do not subscribe to the creeds (Apostle, Nicene, Athanasian) that Catholic Churches do. They are listed as such…

  • Presbyterian
  • Baptist
  • Methodist
  • Pentecostal
  • Church of Christ

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all of the above (with the exclusion of some pentecostal denominations or individual churches) believes the nicene creed. most presbyterians still recite it every week in their services! i don’t mind when people ask questions about things they don’t understand, but people on these forums need to stop espousing things they know nothing about.

Sorry about the misinformation.

[quote=jimmy]Sorry about the misinformation.
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my bottom comments weren’t directed at you jimmy and i do understand your confusion in that there is a denomination called “evangelical lutheran”.

  • Roman Catholic

of the fundamental beliefs of each sect of Christianity and also addresses our similarites, as well as, our differences.
One correction is necessary. The term Roman Catholic is a misnomer. The Catholic Church consists of several rites, only one of which is the Latin Rite. Among them are the Byzantine, Maronite, Ethiopian, and several other rites are in full communion with the Catholic Church. Also, the Protestant churches are those which, as you correctly stated, broke away from the Catholic Church in the 16th century and are no longer in full communion with Her. Also derivatives of them. Therefore, Lutheran, Anglican and Evangelical churches are considered Protestant.
I hope will help you to correct the erroneous termonology you were using. This makes for easier understanding when we discuss things on this board.

Christ be with you.

Do me a favor everyone, go to church. Seriously, go there and talk to your ministers about this stuff before you decide to pass judgements. I made these defining lines after speaking to Ministers who were both Catholic and non-Catholic. I hate to say this, but you guys really need to open up your eyes. Thanks Jimmy for the remark…yes people, Evangelical refers to Lutherans.

I suggest to everyone that you open your eyes and go speak to your ministers. Things are not as complicated as you think they are…Catholics are not the only Catholic Church. Yes people, Lutherans do believe in an Apostolic Church, go look it up. I suggest everyone reads the Augsburg Confessions as well. Luther never protested against the Catholic Church, he was a Catholic and wanted to remain one. All he did was speak out against the heresy he saw in the church.

AND YES, Evangelical = Lutheran. Go look it up, I am one, I would know.

Gimmie a break people. “The Episcopal Church doesn’t have valid Apostolic Orders?” Says who? The Catholic Church? Since when in the Catholic Church the authority over the other Churches? Oh yeah, I forgot, since never! The “Rock” refers to Jesus Christ, not Peter. I suggest everyone takes a class in interpretal reading and then throws it out the window.

Okay, I’m just kidding…but this thread got you all upset didn’t it? Believe what you want, but to say that Lutherans and Episcopals are not more Catholic than Protestant is simple naive.

[quote=Bryan]Do me a favor everyone, go to church. Seriously, go there and talk to your ministers about this stuff before you decide to pass judgements. I made these defining lines after speaking to Ministers who were both Catholic and non-Catholic. I hate to say this, but you guys really need to open up your eyes. Thanks Jimmy for the remark…yes people, Evangelical refers to Lutherans.

I suggest to everyone that you open your eyes and go speak to your ministers. Things are not as complicated as you think they are…Catholics are not the only Catholic Church. Yes people, Lutherans do believe in an Apostolic Church, go look it up. I suggest everyone reads the Augsburg Confessions as well. Luther never protested against the Catholic Church, he was a Catholic and wanted to remain one. All he did was speak out against the heresy he saw in the church.

AND YES, Evangelical = Lutheran. Go look it up, I am one, I would know.

Gimmie a break people. “The Episcopal Church doesn’t have valid Apostolic Orders?” Says who? The Catholic Church? Since when in the Catholic Church the authority over the other Churches? Oh yeah, I forgot, since never! The “Rock” refers to Jesus Christ, not Peter. I suggest everyone takes a class in interpretal reading and then throws it out the window.

Okay, I’m just kidding…but this thread got you all upset didn’t it? Believe what you want, but to say that Lutherans and Episcopals are not more Catholic than Protestant is simple naive.
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You were jocking. WOW I was beginning to get all fired up there.:bigyikes: . I agree with you though that Lutherans and Orthodox and Anglicans are much more Catholic than the born agains and the baptists and presbyterians.

[quote=Bryan]Do me a favor everyone, go to church. Seriously, go there and talk to your ministers about this stuff before you decide to pass judgements. I made these defining lines after speaking to Ministers who were both Catholic and non-Catholic. I hate to say this, but you guys really need to open up your eyes. Thanks Jimmy for the remark…yes people, Evangelical refers to Lutherans.

I suggest to everyone that you open your eyes and go speak to your ministers. Things are not as complicated as you think they are…Catholics are not the only Catholic Church. Yes people, Lutherans do believe in an Apostolic Church, go look it up. I suggest everyone reads the Augsburg Confessions as well. Luther never protested against the Catholic Church, he was a Catholic and wanted to remain one. All he did was speak out against the heresy he saw in the church.

AND YES, Evangelical = Lutheran. Go look it up, I am one, I would know.

Gimmie a break people. “The Episcopal Church doesn’t have valid Apostolic Orders?” Says who? The Catholic Church? Since when in the Catholic Church the authority over the other Churches? Oh yeah, I forgot, since never! The “Rock” refers to Jesus Christ, not Peter. I suggest everyone takes a class in interpretal reading and then throws it out the window.

Okay, I’m just kidding…but this thread got you all upset didn’t it? Believe what you want, but to say that Lutherans and Episcopals are not more Catholic than Protestant is simple naive.
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Bryan, Are you kidding? I’m having trouble interpreting your tone.

Based on your own comments, I wouldn’t be so quick to call someone judgemental:

[quote=Bryan]So, I’m going to do it for you guys to make things easier
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Thanks. We’re such dopes we never could have figured it out ourselves.

[quote=Bryan]Do me a favor everyone, go to church. Seriously, go there and talk to your ministers about this stuff before you decide to pass judgements.
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[quote=Bryan]you guys really need to open up your eyes.
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[quote=Bryan]I suggest to everyone that you open your eyes
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[quote=Bryan]I suggest everyone takes a class in interpretal reading and then throws it out the window.
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[quote=Bryan] to say that Lutherans and Episcopals are not more Catholic than Protestant is simple naive.
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Funny how quickly you forgot your own earlier posts asking people not to be rude or sarcastic. It works both ways, pal.

[quote=Bryan]Gimmie a break people. “The Episcopal Church doesn’t have valid Apostolic Orders?” Says who? The Catholic Church? Since when in the Catholic Church the authority over the other Churches? Oh yeah, I forgot, since never!
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Since when? Since Jesus established the Church as “the pillar and foundation of truth” (1 Tim 3:15). I will believe her before I give credence to self-serving, half-baked little definitions like the one you proposed.

[quote=Bryan]Believe what you want,
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Thank you, I will. And thank you for reinforcing my beliefs. :slight_smile:

[quote=Bryan]We are all Christians. But people often break down the sects of Christianity. That’s fine and often needed for discussion, but those people need to make sure to do it with reguards to Church structure, beliefs, etc. So, I’m going to do it for you guys to make things easier. I have researched and referenced many sources for this and while I may not mention all sects of Christianity, I think it will be easy for everyone to find their place…

Non-Christian:
This is a real interesting concept. I say that because the following churches often consider themselves christian while other churches do not. They are often marked by not believing Jesus as the Son of God and part of God, but instead as a mortal man. Also, the Godhead is often split into three distinct and seperate parts, no unified trinity exsists. And in some cases, the practice is neither religious or scientific.

  • Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormon)
  • Christian, Scientists
  • Watchtower Society (Jehovah’s Witnesses)

I hope all of this helped people. It just makes for easier understanding of the fundamental beliefs of each sect of Christianity and also addresses our similarites, as well as, our differences.
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The Mirriam Webster Dictionary defines Christianity "The religion derived from Jesus Christ, based on the Bible as sacred scripture, and professed by Christians."
Christian-“an adherent of Christianity”

I assure you that I am infact Christian! I think that the next time you try to devide religion you should sight the sorces of your “research” and be readily able to support such statements with scripture…Not statements made by some other church that might have prejudices against another religion.

[quote=itsjustdave1988]Jesus IS the Son of God and NOT a part of God. The doctrine of the Trinity asserts that Jesus is the Son of God and He is WHOLLY God, not a “part” of God.
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Sorry, bad explanation. What I meant was that apparantly they don’t believe in 3 persons, 1 God. Sorry for the miscommunication. They apparantly believe that Jesus and God are separate beings, that Jesus cannot be God because He is the son of God.

Leschornmom (hope I spelt that right).

You claim to be Christian based on the definition in a *secular *dictionary, then you base your Christianity on Scripture.

What scripture are you talking about there, the Bible used by Christians, or the Joseph Smith “translation”? Are you including the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price, none of which are considered “scripture” by real Christians?

You say you beleive in Jesus, but which Jesus? the real Jesus or the false Jesus taught by mormons, you know the brother of satan whose “pre-existent soul” was concieved by intercourse between “Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother?”. The Jesus who attoned for our sins on the cross, or the mormon “jesus” who suffered for our sins in the garden of Gethsemene instead?

And do you beleive in the one eternal God, who has no body but is Spirit and has always been God, or the mormon “god”, “heavenly father” who has a body of “flesh and bone” who was once a human,. Famous mormon saying: “as man is now God once was. as God is now we may become”.

The mormons use a lot of the same words and phrases as Christians, but endow them with completely different meanings. And then try and hide the radical differences.

No mormons are not Christians, thier Scriptures are different. Their “godS” (note the plural) and their “jesus” is different.

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