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The remake was done in 2008 with Emma Thompson as Lady Marchmain. From what I've read it pales in comparison to the 80s version and not just because it was made in regular movie format. Here's a quote from someone on Internet Movie Database about the newer movie:
(This movie is offensive to Catholics, but)" the book was not. It was an examination of the cost paid by the religious, those choosing to be so, in the modern world which had turned against faith. It also looked at the benefits of religion, the value of it. I would not say it was pro catholic or anti catholic. But it was definitely respectful of the religion. The movie, on the other hand, is contemptuous. Where the book looked at the complications of the relgious personality, the movie says, catholics are evil idiots. The moviemakers would not dare to insult any other group in that way. In the end when Diana gives up Charles, the movie made it seem like a neurosis that her mother caused. THey can't conceive of a time when people took adultery and sin seriously. And of course, they can't conceive of a time when people refrained from satisfying their appetites. Even if the moviemakers did not agree, they should have been more respectful of the work that they were adapting. But the moviemakers did not dare to totally do away with what the book actually says. So in the end, the dying man makes the sign of the cross."
I have to say that you've inspired me, djeter to read the book. I read some of the quotes of your original post and realized I was missing out by not reading the story as it was written. I was out this afternoon and managed to get a copy at HalfPrice books for only $2.48--couldn't pass up a bargain like that!
I'm not sure how much I can agree with you there. In the final scene we do see Charles in the chapel kneeling in prayer. And the movie is faithful to the dialogue in the book. Charles in contemptuous/highly critical of the Catholic faith of the Flyte family but they defend it firmly and Julia's explanation of how she is impacted by sin is memorable and truthful to her faith.
And I loved Sebastian's defense of his faith (this dialogue is in the movie)
“I suppose they try and make you believe an awful lot of nonsense?”
“Is it nonsense? I wish it were. It sometimes sounds terribly sensible to me.”
“But, my dear Sebastian, you can’t seriously believe it all.”
“I mean about Christmas and the star and the three kings and ox and the donkey.”
“Oh yes, I believe that It’s a lovely idea”
“But you can’t believe things because they’re a lovely idea”
“But I do! That’s how I believe.”
One of the ways I came to my faith was to understand that all the things I found true in literature and poetry were also true in the Gospels. Just because fiction may not be real doesn't make it untruthful. No only do I find the Gospels real in a non-fiction sense but the truths are true because they are lovely ideas. Chesterton felt the same way here. Scroll down the page till you come to *G.K. Chesterton, The Everlasting Man, Jesus And The Parable Of The Lilies Of The Field. *
That quotation there was perhaps the most compelling proof of Jesus' divinity that I have ever read and there is a genius in his parables that while completely human also shares in the divine -- I think Sebastian above is touching upon that above. There is no extended argument with Charles -- nothing of the online nastiness we would get today between atheists or agnostics like Charles. Yet Charles is completely shut down. "Surely you don't make the basis of your faith on something just because its 'a lovely idea'? YES OF COURSE, proclaims Sebastian. Charles remains a captive of his scientific materialism.
Later Cordelia rebukes Charles in her quiet way. She know Charles loved her brother but he never saw what the superior at the monastery realized about her brother:
"The superior simply said, “I did not think there was anything I could do to help him except pray.” He was a very holy old man and recognized it in others.”
“Oh yes, Charles, that’s what you’ve got to understand about Sebastian."
I recall Dostoevsky also: "I will tell you that I am a child of the century, a child of disbelief and doubt. I will remain so until the grave. How much terrible torture this thirst for faith has cost me and costs me even now which is all the stronger in my soul the more arguments I can find against it. And yet God sends me sometimes instants when I am completely calm. At those instants I love and feel loved by others and it is at those instants that I have shaped for myself a Credo where everything is clear and sacred to me.
This credo is very simple. Here it is: To believe that nothing is more beautiful, profound, sympathetic, reasonable, manly, and perfect than Christ. And I tell myself with a jealous love that not only is there nothing more but there can be nothing more. Even more, if someone proved to me that Christ is outside the truth and that in reality the truth were outside of Christ, then I should prefer to remain with Christ rather than with the truth.”
There is a man who loves the ideas of his faith because they are "lovely ideas."