Bringing Up Contraception at a Protestant Chastity Talk?


#1

A so called non-denominational Christian group on my college campus is having a talk about sex and chastity for one of its meetings. Does anyone think that it would be inappropriate for me to go and raise the issue or ask about contraception, since it is a general moral issue?

Is there a way that I could be tactful, and should I identify myself as Catholic? I know that almost all Christian churches were against contraception before the 30’s.


#2

Good question. I would be more concerned about the “group” giving the talk. Are they Planned Parenthood? They are infiltrating our schools like a disease with all the wrong messsges.You should be prepared with alternatives, like a safe place for them to go IF they need pregnancy tests. Definitely monitor this group and have print outs or literature ready to hand out.

God bless you abundantly.


#3

As far as contraception, you should advocate NFP. Yes you should identify yourself as a catholic. Why would you want to keep that a secret? The truth is always the best. Pray about this beforehand and let the Lord guide you in your words.


#4

Sure, why not? I don’t even think you need to bring up that you are Catholic necessarily (I wouldn’t hide it, but you are a true Christian, and are sharing Christian beliefs, you don’t have to be Catholic to believe it), I mean less than 100 years ago most Protestant denominations believed contraception was wrong. Look up info on that, Scott Hahn and Kimberly Hahn may have something that may help (they converted, and one of the things that got the ball rolling was learning about contraception and how it was something that the Catholic Church got right, though they thought that the Church was wrong in almost everything else).

Anyways, it is only “modern” christians that have come to accept contraception. There are also quotes in Scripture, though they tend to deform what the message is, so you could mention them but be prepared to receive arguments back. Anyways, you can listen to Janet Smith’s tape also and any other arguments against contraception just so you can be prepared. If you open a discussion you have to be prepared because if not they may think they are right, if you cannot come up with something.
Good Luck!


#5

I think you should ask yourself why you are thinking about going? What do you hope to accomplish?

Are you “defending” Catholicism? Nobody is attacking it.

Do you want to “educate” them about Catcholicism? They already know we’re against contraception.

Do you want to educate them on the evils of contraception, or why its evil? With all due respect, are you qualified to do that? Have you read the literature? Do you understand it? Can you effectively explain it to these people?

How would you feel if a protestant came to a Catholic gathering on chastity and NFP and told people they didn’t need to follow that teaching, that condoms were fine?


#6

If a group giving a chastity talk begins talking about contraception then they are not preaching chasity. They are preaching “if you do it… don’t get caught”.

**A true Chastity talk discusses the whole person as a temple of God, and discusses why abstinence is God’s plan for sexuality. Chastity is not just abstinence, it is a virtue of mind, body, and spirit. **

I suggest you arm yourself with discussion points along those lines-- visit www.pureloveclub.com for ideas. I also suggest www.omsoul.com and www.hh76.com for resource materials, brochures, etc.

I think NFP is a great topic to counter contraception, but not for chastity talks since the focus should be abstinence.


#7

[quote=BillP] They already know we’re against contraception.

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Not necessarily…


#8

One point to make is one I argue with my wife who is Presbyterian and does not agree with Humanae Vitae.

Where is the intellectual and philosophical argument that distinguishes married couples who use ABC to limit and space kids within marriage and teens and skanks who just want to fornicate without risking pregnancy?

It has become ABC vs. NFP and we can offer a reasoned explanation for Humae Vitae but they are saying ABC is okay but never addressing that if anyone uses ABC for any reason we have a messed up society. Now I believe that even marrieds only ABC is wrong and would mess up things but they need to at least try and come up with a reason to remain chaste before marriage and not use the wink wink nod nod I know you can’t help yourself so here is a condom.

I am sure a chastity talk will say wait for your spouse but maybe at the very end you could address ABC once they do marry.


#9

[quote=BillP]I think you should ask yourself why you are thinking about going? What do you hope to accomplish?

Are you “defending” Catholicism? Nobody is attacking it.

Do you want to “educate” them about Catcholicism? They already know we’re against contraception.

Do you want to educate them on the evils of contraception, or why its evil? With all due respect, are you qualified to do that? Have you read the literature? Do you understand it? Can you effectively explain it to these people?

How would you feel if a protestant came to a Catholic gathering on chastity and NFP and told people they didn’t need to follow that teaching, that condoms were fine?
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If it is a open meeting at his/her college campus he/she has every right to attend as college student and as a christian. And this person’s opinion is valid regardless of her catholicity or full knowlege of the ALL of the facts. Truth is truth.
Further… The catholic message about contraception is absolutly linked to the message of chastity, purity, and all of this is relevant to the message of life standing in the way of the culture of death.

I agree with the posters reccommendation on the resources at [/font]www.pureloveclub.com I have shared many of these resources with kids I coach on chastity.

Good luck Prolife1968, you don’t HAVE to be antagonistic… just bring up ideas and speak the truth. Good for you.


#10

[quote=Prolife1968]A so called non-denominational Christian group on my college campus is having a talk about sex and chastity for one of its meetings. Does anyone think that it would be inappropriate for me to go and raise the issue or ask about contraception, since it is a general moral issue?

Is there a way that I could be tactful, and should I identify myself as Catholic? I know that almost all Christian churches were against contraception before the 30’s.
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Did I miss something?

Is this group advocating chastity? If so, the subject of contraception would be inappropriate. If a person practices chastity, then there is no need for contraception.

I don’t think you should say anything unless they are advocating contraception, then you should say something about chastity.


#11

[quote=LeahInancsi]Did I miss something?

Is this group advocating chastity? If so, the subject of contraception would be inappropriate. If a person practices chastity, then there is no need for contraception.

I don’t think you should say anything unless they are advocating contraception, then you should say something about chastity.
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You took the words right out of my mouth.


#12

[quote=LeahInancsi]Did I miss something?

Is this group advocating chastity? If so, the subject of contraception would be inappropriate. If a person practices chastity, then there is no need for contraception.

I don’t think you should say anything unless they are advocating contraception, then you should say something about chastity.
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Well, the OP said the talk was about *sex * and chastity, so contraception may very well come up (since sex and contraception go hand in hand for many people, unfortunately, ie if you are going to do it anyways etc). It’s best to go ready with the correct information.


#13

If you have the chance, try to take a look at the book “Open Embrace: A Protestant Couple Rethinks Contraception” by Sam and Bethany Torode. I haven’t read the book but I have heard them speak. They look at the whole contraception issue from a natural law and scriptural viewpoint. The end result is nearly the same as Catholic teaching without the Catholic doctrine. :wink: I wouldn’t hide the fact that you are Catholic, but there isn’t any need to give a “disclaimer” either since this would give people a reason to disregard your message as only meant for Catholics. Contraception isn’t just a Catholic issue, after all.

I think it is hard for any group to talk about chastity and sex without at least a side discussion of family planning. I am not sure you would want to be the one to introduce the discussion but if it goes there, you should be prepared to discuss it.


#14

Blessings to all that post here :blessyou:


#15

Just want to clarify the meaning of the word “chastity”. It is not the same as abstinence.
Chastity for a single person means abstinence. Chastity for a married person means remaining faithful to your marriage vows. Therefore a talk on sex and chastity could very well include contraception as there will be married couples trying to live chaste lives who are questioning contraception.

Cadence


#16

[quote=Prolife1968]A so called non-denominational Christian group on my college campus is having a talk about sex and chastity for one of its meetings. Does anyone think that it would be inappropriate for me to go and raise the issue or ask about contraception, since it is a general moral issue?

Is there a way that I could be tactful, and should I identify myself as Catholic? I know that almost all Christian churches were against contraception before the 30’s.
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One, I wouldn’t call them “so called” since it is a bit dismissive, and they are likely as sincere in their intentions as you are. :slight_smile:

It would be appropriate for you to disclose that you have catholic religious beliefs against contraception. However, I would discuss contraception from the position of the damage it has done as opposed to doctrine alone. There is a reason Catholics are against contraception, and it isn’t simply just become the church says so.

Some points is how the increase in contraception has contributed to an increase in promiscuity, and corresponding increase in diseases, loss of courtship, increase in illegitimacy (some say contraception fights this, but contraception paved the way for an explosion in out-of-marriage sex), etc. etc. etc.

The former Pope was correct when he predicted that contraception would result in an increase in women being treated as objects. When people perceive there are no consequences to sex (note: perceive, there are always consequences, it is just that pregnancy is the one they think of most), they are more careless about who they sleep with, and when they sleep with them. As a male, I was promiscuious a decade ago in college (I’m not proud of that)…let’s just say that condoms and birth control removed what would have been a natural deterent, and I’m guessing many men would be the same way. Especially younger men have strong sexual desires, and when left unchecked they can be disastrous.

I won’t say much on the female perspective, since I don’t know it. I’m guessing, however, that fear of pregnancy is a powerful behavior check there too.

Blessings.


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