I thought we were at some sort of agreement earlier.
We did indeed come to a “meeting of the minds” of sorts, and I am glad of that. As stated in my PM, the pitfalls of written communication are that much of the intent is lost and the tone can be misunderstood.
[quote=Strength]1. The crutch thread became way out of hand, and I could not obviously commit the time to answering every question - let alone questions that I thought were beneath us…meaning me, you, mutant and maybe 1 or 2 others. Call me an elitist if you want - but I had to grab at what I thought was provoking, and compelling.
The thread did get out of hand, but there were many good points made by me and others that simply went unanswered. You grabbed what was “provoking and compelling” to you. Some of the “counter punches” you received clearly didn’t meet these criteria.
[quote=Strength]2. Is this not the Apologist room? I actually would like someone who may be a bit more clear in the interpretation/context of papal encyclicals. Are they bound for eternity?.. etc…etc…
Okay, fair enough. However, if you want a fully informed interpretation, there are professional apologists at CA who are much better educated on the subject than amateurs like me.
[quote=Strength]3. That “700 year old passage” happens to be very germane to our times.
I believe a previous poster put it best, that it indeed has to be taken in context, so it probably isn’t that germane.
[quote=Strength]4. If you want the url fine…it’s just a list of encyclicals?..that’s it? How is it relevant to my question?
Someone else asked for this.
[quote=Strength]5. You must not have a grasp of my identity, because I accurately stated that I am not an atheist.
My sincere apologies for my presumptions and I don’t mean this with any sarcasm. I shouldn’t presume.
[quote=Strength]6. I AM VERY INTERESTED IN THE CATHOLIC FAITH…why would I “waste” so much of my time here if not?
Based on your posts and the threads you have started, I cannot reconcile this statement. But, I won’t make the mistake of presuming again and will take you at your word.
[quote=Strength]You seem to have a serious persecution complex…great men/minds have been debating, and arguing over heady things such as these since…well let’s just say a very, very long time. hehehe
If I can poke holes in your faith, and plant seeds of doubt in your mind…THEN YOU NEED WHAT STRENGTH HAS TO GIVE YOU!..you need STRENGTH!..You need debate…you need critical analysis…this is how we learn…we need to be pressed…we need to doubt…even Jesus himself had doubt…
Ah, the old “you have a serious complex” tactic. Well, truthfully, I don’t. After many years of personal struggles, doubts, fears and dealing with the human condition, I am quite secure in my faith. There is an element of choice and excercise of the will in coming to faith and I have done that. I chose to believe and found personally that what Augustine said is so very true, “I used to think that I had to understand in order to believe, but found that I had to believe in order to understand”.
I was unsure of myself years ago and have come to a point of personal clarity through dealing with doubts and questioning every element of my faith. Thus, I have no problem debating with you. My concern is for those who are still struggling with their faith, who aren’t into intellectual debate, and who may truly be tripped up. I feel compelled to openly challenge your intentions for their sake. Sorry, nothing personal.
Oh yes, I need strength indeed, but not the kind you have to offer because (setting aside the sarcasm for a moment) one cannot intellectualize oneself to God. As Blaise Pascal said, “The mind is a cul-de-sac when it comes to meeting God”, it can only take you so far and then faith is required. And, as I said before, faith involves choice. It is a gift from God, but God gives each one of us a seed of faith, perhaps that is why you are here. Whether the seed germinates is our choice and our choice alone.
[quote=Strength]stay strong jimo…God loves you.
As Paul says, and I paraphrase, “in my weakness I am made strong…because Christ lives within me.” I know very well that God loves me. I have experienced it. And that is the wonder of it all.
Peace to you