Calling In 'Gay' to Work Is Latest Form of Protest

it is also the God-given right of any and all business owners to hire or fire anyone they want for any reason or for no reason at all.

so it would not be immoral to call for the mass firing of immoral people like sodomites pedophiles and terrorists.

Yes, it would absolutely be immoral. I know several people who would have their lives ruined by such an action, and they’ve never done anything to attack any religious institution. You’re calling for the mass firing of millions of people because you don’t like their political beliefs.

Furthermore, you just compared all homosexuals to pedophiles and terrorists.

And your facts are wrong. A business owner can’t just fire someone for whatever reason he wants.

Lujack;

A. It is the right of anyone who to advocate for gay marriage. We don’t fire people in America for advocating for a political cause. It is our right to disagree with them, and their right to disagree back

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But it is more than just agreeing or disagreeing with them. They are nipping at the basic foundations of society. Tehy are demanding it. The flip off the will of the vast majority of Americans, go to Liberal judges, and get their way anyway. They push the issue in schools. Heck, they even had a Mayor violate federal law and issue marry them anyway! The ONLY way to fight gay marriage equally, is to fight as dirty as they do.

B. When that disagreement crosses the line, it becomes a crime. However, homosexuals represent a broad spectrum of people. There is no monolithic “they” who are out “insulting religious people”. Have you thought about all the people who’ll be caught up in your great purge that never even said anything?

Not all Germans were Nazis, but all Nazis were Germans. Did we selectively fight them? People can say that Italians are in the Mafia, but I take no personal offense to that because I know that I am not in the Mafia.

Even if it were the case that the majority of homosexuals insult religion, it would still be immoral and wrong to call for their mass firing. We don’t do things that way.

Hey, I wouldn’t care what they do but since they attack my ideology and demand things, then maybe we should do things that way. Like it or not, a win for gay marriage in the US, is also a vote closer to socialism, which me personally dont care for either.

Truthsayer;

haha, just be careful, these people are known to become very very violent, just look at all the Churches and people they have attacked, i would advise you to at lease get some pepperspray if you can’t or don’t want to get a gun or a knife.

I’d welcome the attacks. I say, lol: Bring it on. I am ashamed that when they do attack, we do not fight back. And we wonder why they will win.

That’s their right, to demand whatever they want. It is our right to oppose them, to prosecute the mayor, and fight for a say in school cirruculums. It is not our right to call for mass firings. Actually, that’s wrong. We have the right to call for mass firings, we don’t have the right to actually do it.

Not all Germans were Nazis, but all Nazis were Germans. Did we selectively fight them? People can say that Italians are in the Mafia, but I take no personal offense to that because I know that I am not in the Mafia.

This isn’t a war. We aren’t fighting for the extermination of homosexuals. Even if it was a war, don’t you think this would be a fatally flawed tactic, making us look like revenge-driven, intolerant bigots who want to ruin people’s lives to make a point.

Hey, I wouldn’t care what they do but since they attack my ideology and demand things, then maybe we should do things that way. Like it or not, a win for gay marriage in the US, is also a vote closer to socialism, which me personally dont care for either.

They can demand whatever they want; that’s democracy. Besides, a win for firing people because of their political opinions is a step closer to fascism and thought crime.

Wasn’t Gay Day a huge flop???

Doesn’t that prove to gays that…nobody cares???

Yes, it would be wrong to fire a person for no other reason than being gay. However, gay rights activists promoted this “Call in Gay” day. So if a gay person did not show up for scheduled work and told their employer that the reason was because they’re “calling in gay” and not because they’re sick or an emergency, then the employer may fire the employee for an unexcused absence just as they would for any other unauthorized reason.

Oh, yes, the employer would have the right to fire that employee for an unauthorized absence (Personally, I wouldn’t go that far if I was a boss), but some of the earlier posters in this thread were looking at this as “Oh, good, now we have an excuse to fire all the gays”, which would be unjust.

Lujack;

That’s their right, to demand whatever they want. It is our right to oppose them, to prosecute the mayor, and fight for a say in school cirruculums. It is not our right to call for mass firings.

But when they win by having a Liberal judge overrule everybody and legislate from the bench, then what choice does that leave us?

This isn’t a war. We aren’t fighting for the extermination of homosexuals. Even if it was a war, don’t you think this would be a fatally flawed tactic, making us look like revenge-driven, intolerant bigots who want to ruin people’s lives to make a point.

It dosen’t matter.(and yes, we are not fighting to kill gay’s, that was NEVER my point) And we are at war.
My point was about generalizing.

We must generalize and their is nothing wrong with it. Look, they use the bias courts to achieve their goal. We use the ballot and we are losing. Either we fight the same way, or not at all.

They can demand whatever they want; that’s democracy. Besides, a win for firing people because of their political opinions is a step closer to fascism and thought crime.

Were we a fascist nation 60 years ago? Were we a fascist nation 232 years ago? No, we were not. And the tactics used by the gay activists(and others), brainwashing kids and things, etc, is just as despicable. I hope that you are against them as well.

Appealing the ruling or amending the state constitution. That’s exactly what happened in California. Both sides exercised all of their legal rights.

It dosen’t matter.(and yes, we are not fighting to kill gay’s, that was NEVER my point) And we are at war.
My point was about generalizing.

We are not at war. I’ve always hated the “culture war” rhetoric. Even if we were at war, we don’t just use any tactic we want, we fight the right way.

We must generalize and their is nothing wrong with it.

There is everything wrong with generalizing. It leads to nothing but mutual hatred.

Look, they use the bias courts to achieve their goal. We use the ballot and we are losing. Either we fight the same way, or not at all.

How does “fighting the courts”=“fire all the gays”? One is legal, one is vigilantism.

Were we a fascist nation 60 years ago? Were we a fascist nation 232 years ago? No, we were not. And the tactics used by the gay activists(and others), brainwashing kids and things, etc, is just as despicable. I hope that you are against them as well.

We weren’t a fascist nation, but we weren’t a nation of liberty and justice for all. While I follow the Church’s teachings with regard to homosexuality, if we fired and disenfranchised people for disobeying the Church’s teachings, there’d be nobody left.

I am against a cause, but I am not against any people.

Lujack;

Appealing the ruling or amending the state constitution. That’s exactly what happened in California. Both sides exercised all of their legal rights.

Well mark my words, the gays will win marriage eventually. We cannot compete with Liberal LAWS that imply opposing teaching children to accept gays in school is hate. They will wear the people down to the point that nobody will care anymore, and the politicians will not ammend the Constitution for fear of losing votes. We are playing by their rules and we will lose. Californa has voted like 3 or 4 times banning gay marriage, and it keeps on coming. How much more do we have to tolerate this?

We are not at war. I’ve always hated the “culture war” rhetoric. Even if we were at war, we don’t just use any tactic we want, we fight the right way.

I have always loved that term because I happen to agree with it. And keep on fighting the right way. Or better yet, should just give up because it is the losing strategy. If all that matters is getting into Heaven, then it is pointless to fight a war that you cannot win. That sounds crude, but it is true? Why bother to fight, knowing you will lose? We should just give up and stick to prayers.

There is everything wrong with generalizing. It leads to nothing but mutual hatred.

Well back to the original comment: “There is no monolithic “they” who are out “insulting religious people”. Have you thought about all the people who’ll be caught up in your great purge that never even said anything?”

You cannot fight gay marriage relying on the fact that not all gay’s want it.

Disagreements are one thing, but political activism is quite another.

How does “fighting the courts”=“fire all the gays”? One is legal, one is vigilantism.

And one usually materializes when justice and law becomes bias, useless, activist or tyrannical. When the law becomes legislated from the bench by one or nine unaccountable men in black robes, then we are only left with taking matters into our own hands. Even Thomas Jefferson asgreed with that.

We weren’t a fascist nation, but we weren’t a nation of liberty and justice for all. While I follow the Church’s teachings with regard to homosexuality, if we fired and disenfranchised people for disobeying the Church’s teachings, there’d be nobody left.

Don’t generalize now, lol;) But the Church aside, is your concern fascism or Liberty and justice for all? Cause I don’t care what people do in their private lives, really I don’t. Religiously I have a problem with it, but that is me. But when they are demading “right’s” that are not their’s, and call me a bigot, a religious nut, and circumvent the will of the overwhelming majority of Americans in society, then everything changes. It is now a battle. And if it’s all about Liberty and justice, then how many other societal rules are we willing to throw away? Will bigamy be liberty and justice? Can I opt out of taxes? How about incest and legalized heroin? Shouldn’t people have the “Liberty” to do as they wish? In order for a society to have Liberty, it must also have responsibility. Either society contains itself, or the government will do it for us, in my humble opinion.

I am against a cause, but I am not against any people.

Then that is a vote, for their cause. Because a cause, is worthless without people championing it. God Bless

It is not the homosexual person that is evil or bad, it is the desire to act on those unnatural urges that is evil, and destructive.

Those who assert that homosexual persons should be discriminated against by employers are not following clear Church teaching. The Church unequivocally states that homosexual persons are to be treated with dignity and respect. However, homosexual acts are never to be condoned.

And welcome gay marriage. Welcome the teaching of children about the gay lifestyle.

Do you advocate for the discrimination of homosexuals? Because that uneqiuvocally violates Church teaching.

There are numerous cases wherein the government penalized a business owner for screening out employees based on sexual orientation, there are also cases where the government forced businesses to change their business models to accommodate homosexual lifestyles- in fact, that just happened to eharmony.com, who was sued because they didn’t match homosexuals.

So, as a subset of our society, homosexuals have already taken that “step closer to fascism and thought crime” because they are using the government to force their socio-political agenda onto privately owned businesses.

If you were really interested in freedom, you would agree that individuals should be able to hire or fire their employees for whatever reason they choose, without government interference. If people don’t like what a particular business owner is doing, then they don’t have to do business with them. If enough people don’t like it, that business owner will go out of business, or they will change their policies.

And if they don’t go out of business, then you’ll just have to learn to tolerate their values.

That’s a very slippery statement.

The Church differentiates between homosexual persons and the homosexual acts.

While homosexual persons struggle with the personal sin of homosexual acts, but the state of being homosexual is not a sin in and of itself.

So, technically, yes, the Church teaches that we ought not discriminate against homosexuals on that basis alone.

However, homosexual acts and the homosexual lifestyle are sins, both individual and social, because the negative effects of the homosexual lifestyle are not contained only within the particular individuals engaged in homosexual acts.

So, if you properly understand the word “DISCRIMINATE,” then you would agree that we are all called to discriminate against those who actively seek to promote social sins.

NOT to discriminate against sin is itself to commit the sin of scandal, as it conveys the impression that we approve of the social sin in question, and thus runs the risk of leading others to sin.

I’m guessing this section of the CCC is optional in your eyes then as your calling for the firing of gay people for being gay. As well as optional in the eyes of all posters that use the word “queer” on this site.

2358: “The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.”

Not simply because they are homosexuals. But because of the social engineering, brainwashing of children against parental will, disgusting behavior, intimidating protests, and forcefull demands on society.

Show me where it was God’s will to have us create a cesspool of the world.

cyberwolf001;

I’m guessing this section of the CCC is optional in your eyes then as your calling for the firing of gay people for being gay. As well as optional in the eyes of all posters that use the word “queer” on this site.

2358: “The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.”

Well, I guess we should welcome gay marriage in the Catholic Church ASAP.

Exactly. I wish there were more people who think and feel the same way you think and feel about people like me. As a bicelibate person, I’d probably be caught up in the purge. And mind you, I’m Catholic, I go to Mass and receive Holy Communion and the sacrament of reconcillation. I pray the rosary every day. I read the Bible. But what sets me apart is that every so often, I meet another woman who’s so pretty or nice that my heart starts going pitter-patter and part of me wants to hug her and kiss and tell her how lovely she is. The most I can do is take these feelings and desires, put them in God’s hands and praise Him for putting beauty in this world and creating kind people. I didn’t ask to have this quirk. I didn’t ask to have these feelings. The most I can do is ask God and our Lady to help me when the feelings and desires start to flare up.

What doesn’t help is people thinking every same-sex attracted person is one of the vociferous ones screaming for the right to marry. Like Father Benedict Groeschel once said, about nine out of ten homosexual people he worked with were lonely, hurting people who wish that the one out ten marching in the Gay Pride parades would just stay home. And I’m one of those nine out of ten. I don’t take sides on this issue, since I have my own personal issues to handle. The one issue I don’t like having to deal with is the callousness and the generalizations from people who dare call themselves Christians. If Christ came back for a visit and in sharing His Word with us, If He retooled the parable of the Good Samaritan for a modern audience, I sometimes wonder if He’d recast a homosexual as that Good Samaritan to really get some people thinking…

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