[quote="JD27076, post:1, topic:297972"]
Just a question to ask myself. Not for any purpose, just to know an answer.
For example, if some bread and wine were on a regular kitchen table, and the priest went over to it, put his hands out, and said the words of consecration. Is that bread and wine formally the Body and Blood of Jesus?
Or can bread and wine ONLY be consecrated during Mass?
A side question, same thing with absolution. Can a priest say the words of absolution to a person who is a baptized Catholic, and those sins be absolved? (Even if one is not in danger.)
I saw this priest do it in the movie, The Rite, and I wasn't sure this was in correct teaching of Church teaching. It was probably only for venial sins maybe.
We should make a distinction between DIVINE LAW and CHURCH LAW.
Divine law is what prescribed by God and applies to all mankind.
Church law is what prescribed by a particular Church and only applies to the membership of that church. For this thread, this would mean the Code of Canon Law.
Both should work together in harmony although each can be performed in exclusive from the other. For example the prohibition of murder is Divine Law and canon law (even civil law) complies with Divine Law.
If you ask yourself "Can I murder someone?" most of us will say a hard no, but we are physically capable of picking up a knife and stab someone. So can we perform murder? Yes we can (physically) but we decide not to because of the law (divine, canon and civil).
The same approach applies in the economy of sacrament. A priest, by the virtue of his ordination (Divine Law), can absolve sins and confect transubstantiation as long as the proper intent, form and matter exists. HOWEVER, the Canon Law prescribed how sacraments should be administer.
So, a priest can take a piece of wheat based bread (or any grape wine), saying the Words of Institution with the intent to make present the Body of Christ and really make it happen.
A priest can also absolve the sins of a baptized Catholic who ask for absolution to be administered to him without even hearing his or her confessions.
However, the above examples are forbidden by the Canon Law and a good priest should follow the canon law like a good citizen should follow the civil law.
The proper setting of transubstantiation is the Holy Mass and the proper setting of forgiveness of sins is the celebration of the Sacrament of Reconciliation and/or Anointing of the Sick.
The same as a bishop can ordained anyone a bishop, however, Canon Law requires the Pope has consented to the ordination.
Hope this helps.