Can Catholics be Democrats?


#961

Understood. I really see the point! Just no actual objection.

Or rather anything without me inferring what is objected to.

I can ask about the song “amazing grace” not written by a Catholic. Would that be objected to?

I am really trying to understand the SPECIFIC objections here!


#962

Just to be clear, that is not a party survey, but a survey on two candidates.


#963

I think amazing grace is in our hymnals.
I think the Priest is more concerned about the Modern Protestant Variety of songs.


#964

No, they do not. The Talmud’s first commandment is not actually a commandment, but the proclaimation, “I am the Lord your God.” Then they combine “no other gods” with “no graven images”, as in the Catholic numbering, and coveting stuff and coveting another’s wife, as in the Protestant numbering.

It is a third numbering system.


#965

They still combine our 9th and 10th to make their 10th which is consistent with Protestant 10th.


#966

But I do not see the objection. Is it purely because that is a Protestant or actually what is said?

Currently it seems like the first and not the latter?


#967

I think that is it. The objection is that it is “Protestant”.


#968

I appreciate your honesty!

Thank You.


#969

But I personally do not adhere to that type of prejudice. What I do prejudice about is that they generally do not begin or end their pray with “In the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit” or at least some recognition of our Trinitarian God.


#970

I generally do not mind the numbering system.

I just find it very interesting how the Jewish second commandment got attached to the first.


#971

Given.
I would have no issue with that!


#972

The Jews would disagree with you.

But most people involved in the debate seem to have missed the fact that these three religions divide up the commandments in different ways!

Judaism, unlike Catholicism and Protestantism, considers “I am the L-rd, your G-d” to be the first “commandment.”

Catholicism, unlike Judaism and Protestantism, considers coveting property to be separate from coveting a spouse.

Protestantism, unlike Judaism and Catholicism, considers the prohibition against idolatry to be separate > from the prohibition against worshipping other gods.

No two religions agree on a single list. So whose list should we post?

http://www.jewfaq.org/10.htm#Controversy


#973

These may seem like trivial differences to some, but they are serious issues to those of us who take these words seriously. When a government agency chooses one version over another, it implicitly chooses one religion over another, something that the First Amendment prohibits. This is the heart of the controversy.

And that is what Roy Moore did. He implicitly if not explicitly declared “Protestantism” the “State Religion”

http://www.jewfaq.org/10.htm#Controversy


#974

they still combine our 9 and 10 into their 10th.

Tenth Commandment (Exodus 20:14)

You shall not covet your neighbor’s house, nor his wife, his man-servant, his maid-servant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-ten-commandments

The Ten Commandments are the first ten of the 613 commandments given by God to the Jewish people. They form the foundation of Jewish ethics, behavior and responsibility. These commandments are mentioned in order twice in the Torah - once each in the Book of Exodus and the Book of Deuteronomy.
10) Thou shalt not covet anything that belongs to thy neighbor.


#975

It’s… almost as if… there’s a separation between church and state? Crazy notion, I know.


#976

Yes we can. We are Catholic by virtue of our baptism. Now, we can be in a state of sin; we can be excommunicated for very grave offenses. We can be a heretic (see previous). We can be just plain wrong on any number of issues.

But we are still Catholic if we were baptized. No matter how wrong we are.


#977

That’s a very good point. I wish some here would keep it in mind when it comes to sensible gun regulation.


#978

Even when it comes to Islam?


#979

I suspect that people haven’t “thrown” their money at them. The probably had to go through an imperfect yet formal process to be on benefits.


#980

What are you trying to bait me with here? Why would I say otherwise for Islam?


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