I have some trouble with the meaning of text like rev. 5:8 and other text where angels or saints in heaven offer prayers to God. i have actually 2 questions about this verse.
the first question is, whose prayers are they? the text doesn't specify, so how can i know?
what i find is that the usual catholic take is that the prayers are from the saints on earth while the protestants say the prayers are from the saint in heaven and angels themselves.
wich one is it?
the second question is what it means that the prayer are form the saints in heaven themselves or form the saints on earth.
typically is find that if the prayer are from the saints on earths this verse show the saints in heaven are interceding for the saints on earth.
or, if the prayers are form the saints in heaven themselfs then they are not interceding for us on earth.
i don't get this logic. because if the prayers are from earth then the saints in heaven are not really interceding, they are just delivering the message from earth, to God. kinda like a mailman,
if the prayer are of the saints in heaven themselves then one could ask what they would be praying for, they could be praying for us on earth, and thus be interceding.
could someone please help me out here?
thank you, Joep