I’m not talking about talking at God through prayer. I’m talking about an actual reply heard with my ears. There are many things that go beyond church teachings and bible passages that I feel I need to know. I just can’t understand some of the things I am taught being ‘just’ in God’s eyes. I have already lost faith that the CC is 100% guided by God and will never be wrong on a teaching. Has anyone every spoken to God???
I feel as you do about the Catholic church (and I’ll probably be the only one on this thread to say it). But I think that sometimes God can give you more of a feeling, if that makes sense? Like, you ask about something during prayer, and you get a good feeling about whether your right or wrong. Just keep prayer, keep talking, because he’s out there listening.
And perhaps he never directly answers because there are some things we just can’t know.
The Church teaches that “private revelations” occur. These can be word for word “locutions”-God speaking to you- and the CC has a rich history of these occurrences in her people. However, while private revelations can be enlightening to oneself and others, they’re never to be considered to add to or alter the “deposit of faith” God once for all delivered to mankind 2000 years ago.
God speaks to us through His Church, through people, through His Word, through nature, through reality itself! You must discern however, when God’s talking as opposed to when satan’s talking. But, God is constantly talking, we just have tune our senses and listen. For example, when I choose to have good manners and treat someone well, is that not treating Him well? If I’m asked to do a chore around the house is that not God asking for help? You see by loving others, we choose to love God as well. Hope that helps. God Bless.
I think He may have communicated in this way to some of the Saints, truly holy men and women. When you are fully free, fully aligned to His will, it must be like hearing Him constantly.
I often wonder (in all seriousness) if angels walk Vatican halls and converse with Popes and Cardinals.
Certainly, Paul heard Jesus and many others have had visions and conversations, received instructions, prayers and promises. Do you know the story about St. Thomas Aquinas?
Saint Thomas once confided to his friend Saint Bonaventure, that whatever he knew, he had for the most part learned from the Book of the Crucifix. One day while he was in prayer, Jesus spoke to him from the crucifix saying, “Well hast thou written of Me, Thomas: what reward would’st thou have?” Chesterton, commenting on this, says: “Nobody supposes that Thomas Aquinas, when offered by God his choice among all the gifts of God, would ask for a thousand pounds, or the crown of Sicily, or a present of rare Greek wine. But he might have asked for things that he really wanted ; and he was man who could want things; as he wanted the lost manuscript of Saint Chrysostom.
He might have asked for the solution of an old difficulty ; or the secret of a new science; or a flash of the inconceivable intuitive mind of the angels; or any one of a thousand things that really would have satisfied his broad and virile appetite for the very vastness and variety of the universe. The point is that for him, when the voice spoke from between the outstretched arms of the Crucified, those arms were truly opened wide, and opening most gloriously the gates of all the worlds; they were arms pointing to the east and to the west, to the ends of the earth and the very extremes of existence. They were truly spread out with a gesture of omnipotent generosity ; the Creator Himself offering Creation itself; with all its millionfold mystery of separate beings, and the triumphal chorus of the creatures. Saint Thomas when he at last lifted his head, spoke with that almost blasphemous audacity, which is one with humility: ‘I will have Thyself.’”
Religious experiences like locutions are relatively common, and often come to people who aren’t particularly holy. You’d be surprised how often some conversion story comes down to, “And then I heard a voice tell me to cut it out, and I knew that it was God speaking to me.” Sometimes it’s an inner voice, sometimes people actually hear it with their ears. Generally it’s something that only happens once, but a lot of people apparently hear God talk to them every so often their whole lives, providing them guidance.
God knows perfectly well what each of us will pay attention to. Sometimes it’s a stranger on the street, sometimes it’s the words coming out of our own mouths as advice to someone else, sometimes it’s not words at all. But He’s not ashamed to break out the bells and whistles if it will help.
Of course, God does expect you to apply the same common sense to what mysterious voices say as you would to what people on the street say. If a voice is telling you something evil or you feel icky after listening to it, you should assume that it’s not anything from God. You can ask a priest or wise person for counsel about such things, just as you would for some new acquaintance you weren’t sure about. The phenomenon itself is nothing that should disturb you.
If you’re interested in learning more about talking to God, I recommend St. John of the Cross’ manual, The Ascent of Mount Carmel. It’s freely available online in many places, and there’s even a free audiobook of it on archive.org. You’ll find lots of information about locutions and what to do if you hear some.
But if you expect to learn the answers to all your Bible questions directly from the horse’s mouth? Well, it does happen in some cases, but I wouldn’t hold my breath for it. Generally, God has set things up so that we learn from each other, or pass down those things which He has chosen to reveal. If you really want to know, then you really have to study, and pray for wisdom, and be patient. Some questions might not be answered for you until after you die.
Trust in God. If you ask for an egg, he won’t give you a rock.
Well, I don’t think it’s common that God will start a conversation with you like a friend who just came over to watch some TV. But God does speak to people, as I can attest to. What happened to me was a “locution”. I didn’t hear words with my ears, though. It was more like the rememberance of words which had just been spoken. A verbal or written description really can’t do justice to what happened…
But yes, you can have conversations with God and you will know it when you do, but they won’t necessarily be like physically talking to someone else. That said, those talks are initiated by Him alone and cannot be initiated by you. They are special gifts and no one knows when they are going to happen. In my instance I was away from the Church and not practicing anymore. This “talk” that He gave me was not so much a call to come back but a warning about something I was doing at the time. But in retrospect, it did bring me back home.
Usually, when someone wants to talk with God, it doesn’t happen. Believe me, I’ve been wanting to do that ever since my locution years ago. My advice? Stop worrying about it and if and when He decides to do it, He will. If He doesn’t, count yourself among the myriads of faithful that it never happens to.
Now if I would only take my own advice!.. :shrug:
Wow, you hit the nail on the head! I didn’t read your post before I posted mine. Yes, I do get communications every now and then, but they are not locutions - at least not like the one I remember. They are more like a word or two that pops into my head that immediately I reflect upon and get my answer after reflection. Oftentimes it is to a question I never asked to begin with but maybe had in the back of my mind for a while. My last one was a few months ago and I really need to find out if it agrees with Church teaching. If it doesn’t, I know it didn’t come from God (which is something I get concerned about). This time it’s a bit more difficult because it’s more profound and I don’t think the Catechism covers it…
Thanks for your validation though. I’m glad to hear He does speak to others in the same way He spoke to me.
Don’t have faith because you understand. Understand because you have faith.
(edited because I originally worded it wrong)
One would not have faith if they truely understood; because knowledge would eliminate both the need for faith and the object of one’s faith.
Truly, you don’t understand.
I used to love knowledge. It was what I sought in life and what I sought in a mate. Of course, then I got faith and realized that knowledge is nothing in itself. I don’t rely so much on knowledge anymore, but clearly it is helpful in life. What matters to me is Wisdom, which may seem like knowledge, but there is an edge over knowledge that Wisdom has. I know many knowledgable people that do not have or at least seem to be lacking in Wisdom.
So, I guess what you are saying is that because I know that you exist, I don’t need to have faith in you or your abilities and therefore I don’t need to acknowledge that you exist.
Is this correct?
Does this sound like it’s from God: You are such a sweet and wonderful person, but you need to realise that there are ways always of hearing Me, I see your anguish, I hear your frustrated murmurs of prayers. They come through to Me and hurt Me with the anguish that is felt in them as you pray. Your heart is heavy and you have no idea of happiness, I Am here for you, close your eyes and see yourself before Me rising your arms up with your heart in your hands, that heart that has stagnated and is no longer brimming with laughter I shall fill you with joy, I shall take the hard parts out and replace it with Love so soft and gentle. I gave you a heart to love with, often people of your society say that you love with a portion of your brain, but you don’t, you love with your heart, I put it in your body as the central vessel to fill all your Life’s needs. You are close to Me all the time, for I Am never away from one who seeks Me. You desperately seek Me, I Am here My Darling Child, I love you with all My Heart, I never let go of you, for you never stop in your chasing of Me. Catch Me, I Am yours.
Yes, but not very often.
While I agree with most of your post, you left out the most important one. The Holy Spirit is our guide and our conscience. I really do like your thought that if we love others we love God as well.
Hi ShellKell, if you love everything that God loves you love God.
If you want to know if something sounds like God, you probably don’t want to ask us here on the board.
You want to go to a specialist in these matters, just like you’d go to a doctor if you really wanted to know if some weird-looking thing on your skin was bad or normal. All we can tell you is our best guesses and what happened to Aunt Mabel and Cousin Bob.
A priest or spiritual director who knows you and your circumstances, as well as a lot about God, will be far more use to you.
Of course not - “God is Spirit”: therefore, has no larynx, breath, tongue, lips. Therefore, does not speak with a voice.
To think otherwise is to fall into Anthropomorphism, the mistake of thinking that God has a body as we do. Mormonism does this :eek: This is like supposing that, if dogs engaged in theological speculation, they were to imagine man as a bigger & better dog, living in an infinitely large kennel & feasting on inexhaustible tins of dogfood. Except that our ideas about God are probably even more inadequate than doggish ideas about us would be.
LOL, ahhh, but God can do anything, and therefore can produce real sounds without a body if He so chose. He could also spontaneously produce a body in which to talk from. It is quite possible… with God.
Probability, though, is another matter althogether.
Hi Mintaka, you contradict yourself, in an earlier part of the thread, you very ambitiously go into the ways and means of having conversations with God, then I ask, “does this sound like it’s from God?” and you rant about my insanity. Wisdom is a wonderful thing, but you use it sparingly don’t you? Read my other inputs into various threads and then tell me am I insane? For insanity is something that wouldn’t allow me to operate at the levels that I do. Have you ever prayed the prayers revealed to St Bridget by Jesus? These are the promises of those prayers, your life and your mind will change about everything.
1. I will deliver 15 souls of his lineage from Purgatory.
2. 15 souls of his lineage will be confirmed and preserved in grace.
3. 15 sinners of his lineage will be converted.
4. Whoever recites these Prayers will attain in the first degree of perfection.
5. 15 days before his death I will give him My Precious Body in order that he may escape eternal starvation; I will give him My Precious Blood to drink lest he thirst eternally.
6. 15 days before his death he will feel a deep contrition for all his sins and will have a perfect knowledge of them.
7. I will place before him the sign of My Victorious Cross for his help and defense against the attacks of his enemies.
8. Before his death I shall come with My Dearest Beloved Mother.
9. I shall graciously receive his soul, and will lead it into eternal joys.
10. And having led it there I shall give him a special draught from the fountain of My Deity, something I will not for those who have not recited My Prayers.
11. Let it be known that whoever may have been living in the state of mortal sin for 30 years, but who will recite devoutly, or have the intention to recite these Prayers, the Lord will forgive him all his sins.
12. I shall protect him from strong temptations.
13. I shall preserve and guard his 5 senses.
14. I shall preserve him from a sudden death.
15. His soul will be delivered from eternal death.
16. He will obtain all he asks for from God and the Blessed Virgin.
17. If he has lived all his life doing his own will and he is to die the next day, his life will be prolonged.
18. Every time one recites these Prayers he gains 100 days indulgence.
19. He is assured of being joined to the supreme Choir of Angels.
20. Whoever teaches these Prayers to another, will have continuous joy and merit which will endure eternally.
21. There where these prayer are being said or will be said in the future God is present with His grace.
Oh and it’s decidely JJJ4Eva. Not JJ…
Yes. But God speaks in the language of Silence.
The chanting or praying of the rosary is also a form of silence. It will quiet your mind. Pray it out loud (say, sing, or chant it). Think of the Mysteries as best you can, or just think of Mary’s life with Jesus.