Can you say "Jesus is Lord"


#1

If you can say Jesus is Lord, what does that mean to you?


#2

It means to me that the Holy Spirit has instilled this belief in me, like the Bible says, no-one can say it unless the Holy Spirit revealed it.


#3

When I say “Jesus is Lord,” I give him authority over my entire life. Jesus is both Saviour and Lord, but you can’t acknowlege him as Saviour, without making him Lord of your life. Someone who does not obey Jesus as his Lord (and by extension his inspired Word in the Scriptures and those who he placed in lawful authority over his Church) is an unfaithful servant, and we know what Jesus said about those guys. Like the Protestants like to say, if Jesus isn’t Lord of all, he isn’t Lord at all.


#4

When I say “Jesus is Lord,” I give him authority over my entire life. Jesus is both Saviour and Lord, but you can’t acknowlege him as Saviour, without making him Lord of your life. Someone who does not obey Jesus as his Lord (and by extension his inspired Word in the Scriptures and those who he placed in lawful authority over his Church) is an unfaithful servant, and we know what Jesus said about those guys. Like the Protestants like to say, if Jesus isn’t Lord of all, he isn’t Lord at all.


#5

Fidelis, I think you are reading too much into the text. But, I digrest. Lets’ see where this one goes. shall we.

I am curious how LDS and Arians understand this text too.

I see, Jesus is Lord as being Jesus is Jehovah, the one God of the Universe. ( Isa 43:10 ).

Since, Jehovah’s Witnesses deny the deity of Christ, they like Muslims would simply make him a master. LDS problem is that they ( UT ) believe in the existence of many lords and many gods – “there are lords many, gods many” thus Jesus can not be the one Lord for them. But, even Christian Sciencists claim that Jesus is their master.

Also, there is the interresting issue of the Holy Spirit guiding each of these groups that claims that the Holy Spirit is guiding them all.


#6

Digress?? You aren’t even on topic! What text are you talking about??:confused: :confused:


#7

Fidelis gave a beautiful and heartfelt statement of her faith and belief in Jesus as Lord. If you wanted to talk only about the understanding of Arians and LDS members, Daniel, you should have made your beginning statement clearer.


#8

There’s no such word as Jehovah, it comes from a 13th century monk guessing at the Hebrew abreviation of JHWH. The Hebrews would only write the consanants not the vowels. It’s actually Yahweh.


#9

I can say he is Lord because The Bible and my Faith has told me so!


#10

In the words of the Hawai’ian Pidgin translation of the NT, it means he is Da Boss.

If I hear Him say “Jump!”, I’m already on the way up when I ask, “How high?”

DaveBj


#11

Well, your statement “Jesus is Lord” doesn’t say anything about what “Lord” means, and “Lord” could mean anything.


#12

I can’t say that phrase and retain my intellectual honesty concurrently because I am an agnostic.


#13

There are quite a few Christian agnostics out there.


#14

Well, I am an atheist regarding the existence of the Christian God. Well, are there Christian atheists too? :rolleyes:


#15

Why, I’m glad you asked.:smiley:


#16

It means Jesus is Lord. Seems preety straightforward to me.


#17

Persecution and Martyrdom in Early Christianity

Pliny’s Questions concerning Treatment of Christians and Trajan’s Reply

Pliny, Letters 10.96-97

Pliny to the Emperor Trajan

It is my practice, my lord, to refer to you all matters concerning which I am in doubt. For who can better give guidance to my hesitation or inform my ignorance? I have never participated in trials of Christians. I therefore do not know what offenses it is the practice to punish or investigate, and to what extent. And I have been not a little hesitant as to whether there should be any distinction on account of age or no difference between the very young and the more mature; whether pardon is to be granted for repentance, or, if a man has once been a Christian, it does him no good to have ceased to be one;whether the name itself, even without offenses, or only the offenses associated with the name are to be punished.

Meanwhile, in the case of those who were denounced to me as Christians, I have observed the following procedure: I interrogated these as to whether they were Christians; those who confessed I interrogated a second and a third time, threatening them with punishment; those who persisted I ordered executed. For I had no doubt that, whatever the nature of their creed, stubbornness and inflexible obstinacy surely deserve to be punished. There were others possessed of the same folly; but because they were Roman citizens, I signed an order for them to be transferred to Rome.

Soon accusations spread, as usually happens, because of the proceedings going on, and several incidents occurred. An anonymous document was published containing the names of many persons. **Those who denied that they were or had been Christians, when they invoked the gods in words dictated by me, offered prayer with incense and wine to your image, which I had ordered to be brought for this purpose together with statues of the gods, and moreover cursed Christ–none of which those who are really Christians, it is said, can be forced to do–these I thought should be discharged. **Others named by the informer declared that they were Christians, but then denied it, asserting that they had been but had ceased to be, some three years before, others many years, some as much as twenty-five years. **They all worshipped your image and the statues of the gods, and cursed Christ. **

They asserted, however, that the sum and substance of their fault or error had been that they were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god, and to bind themselves by oath, not to some crime, butnot to commit fraud, theft, or adultery, not falsify their trust, nor to refuse to return a trust when called upon to do so. When this was over, it was their custom to depart and to assemble again to partake of food–but ordinary and innocent food. Even this, they affirmed, they had ceased to do after my edict by which, in accordance with your instructions, I had forbidden political associations. Accordingly, I judged it all the more necessary to find out what the truth was by torturing two female slaves who were called deaconesses. But I discovered nothing else but depraved, excessive superstition.

I therefore postponed the investigation and hastened to consult you. For the matter seemed to me to warrant consulting you, especially because of the number involved. For many persons of every age, every rank, and also of both sexes are and will be endangered. For the contagion of this superstition has spread not only to the cities but also to the villages and farms. But it seems possible to check and cure it. It is certainly quite clear that the temples, which had been almost deserted, have begun to be frequented, that the established religious rites, long neglected, are being resumed, and that from everywhere sacrificial animals are coming, for which until now very few purchasers could be found. Hence it is easy to imagine what a multitude of people can be reformed if an opportunity for repentance is afforded.

Trajan to Pliny

You observed proper procedure, my dear Pliny, in sifting the cases of those who had been denounced to you as Christians. For it is not possible to lay down any general rule to serve as a kind of fixed standard. They are not to be sought out; if they are denounced and proved guilty, they are to be punished, with this reservation, that whoever denies that he is a Christian and really proves it–that is, by worshiping our gods–even though he was under suspicion in the past, shall obtain pardon through repentance. But anonymously posted accusations ought to have no place in any prosecution. For this is both a dangerous kind of precedent and out of keeping with the spirit of our age.

users.drew.edu/ddoughty/C…pliny.html
livius.org/pi-pm/pliny/pliny_y5.html


#18

CHAPTER VIII – CHRISTIANS CONFESS THEIR FAITH IN GOD.

And reckon ye that it is for your sakes we have been saying these things; for it is in our power, when we are examined, to deny that we are Christians; but we would not live by telling a lie. For, impelled by the desire of the eternal and pure life, we seek the abode that is with God, the Father and Creator of all, and hasten to confess our faith, persuaded and convinced as we are that they who have proved to God by their works that they followed Him, and loved to abide with Him where there is no sin to cause disturbance, can obtain these things. This, then, to speak shortly, is what we expect and have learned from Christ, and teach.

www.newadvent.org/fathers/0126.htm

Matthew 10:33
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.


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