No problem, maybe I am just being a bit overly sensitive.
Anyway, nothing of a truly sacramental nature flows from novitiate, so the question of “validity” (in Latin terms) there seems to be a bit out of place. But yes, for a person in that circumstance, absent the “permission” the liceity of his association with the Order (or congregation) would be questionable at best. However, if he were ordained, the ordination itself would be “valid” … the “indult” plays to liceity rather to to validity.
Yeah I know the ordinations would be valid following an invalid novitiate but the vows would not be valid which would create a big question about liceity of the association with the Order.
My question was just trying to understand if there is a difference between permission and indult.
I was not asking the two questions, novitiate and ordination, together I just used them as one, the novitiate, requires permission and the other, ordination, requires an indult.
Maybe the difference lies in that permission is easier to get than an indult.