CARAVAN heading to The U.S.A ( POLL )


#817

Actually, there were charter buses involved in the caravan transportation logistics. Who paid for all those buses…?


#818

Our actions now will either propagate returning problems or stop the abuse of our country. IT IS A PROCESS. If you have gangrene of your hand, is must be amputated. To let it continue, you lose your arm & life. They’re like little children disobeying their parents & demanding attention. Emotions keepus from making sound decisions.Just put them on hold for a short time. The end result will be good but it will take a few years.
We need immigration laws. We love immigrants. There has to be a balance of ethnic groups. We are a melting pot of ingredients. This Caravan is boiling over & melting the pot. Immigrants were healthy, legal,had a trade, & were counted per ethnic groups for balance.


#819

Unfortunately, that’s not the law.

We don’t have to let people in just because they’re “trying to grasp a better life.” We let people in who are in danger, not just because they’re not as well off as they’d like to be.

If we opened our doors to everyone who just wanted a better life, 99 percent of the countries of the world would come. As the other poster said, we can’t afford that.

And on the issue of our ancestors and Lady Liberty, there’s a big difference between coming to a country of 50 million people right after the Industrial Revolution when employers needed jobs, and coming to a country of 300+ million and needing public assistance because there aren’t the jobs to support them.


#820

I remember a story - where a old person fed birds - bought seed - etc -
well, pretty soon she had to buy big huge bags of feed seed -
so many various birds were showing up - fighting with each other too -
soon the neighbors called the Police -
all the cars were being pooped on -
everything was being pooped on - even walking along -
it was a total disaster.


#821

A series of photographs of one of the women at the border … taken at her home in Honduras … appears to be of her as a professional model with expensive jewelry.


#822

I know, our values in this country have changed. Maybe we need a new plaque for the Lady. We shouldn’t take her down, because she is part of a history that makes us who we are today, but her message is no longer valid.

I think this goes quite a bit beyond “as well off as they would like to be”! The vast majority of Americans are not as well off as we would like to be,

My point is that we can at least hear their story. I dont’ even know if it can be investigated, on a practical level, since I understand documents they may have had have been confiscated, and even if they had documents, proving they are in danger may be impossible.

I guess I object to the attitude that we should not be open minded to even allow them to apply.

Yes. It is a valid quandary. 99 % of the immigrants to what later became the United States came for a better life, and it decimated the people who were already living here.

I am not sure I agree with this, since there seems to be no lack of work that needs doing, but I do agree we have a huge public assistance program, and a great many of them are able to work, but don’t. So much so that I have been jealous at times of those who have better medical coverage and benefits than I have working three low paying jobs.

I can picture it, but we are talking about human souls here - people that Jesus has taught us to look into their eyes, and see Him. I believe He has a plan for them that is not one of total disaster.

Some of them, of course, will not be genuine. Maybe she was tired of working as a high priced call girl. My point is we could ask. There is no guarantee we will get the truth, or maybe no way to investigate, but it seems wrong not to allow them to apply.


#823

godisgood - How many billions of the ‘oppressed, poor and huddled masses’ do you want? How much more do you wish to add to the US national debt/over-draft?


#824

We should be focusing on the homeless and disadvantaged that are citizens, and already among us. That is subsidiarity.

If you want to prioritize the homeless in central america, start a non-profit or find an existing one that meets your needs.


#825

Your statement is outlandish… no one is proposing that ‘billions’ of people be let in. Absolutely NO ONE.

I’m simply advocating for a Catholic Christian approach to immigration. - which is not what’s going on now.
The US is the wealthiest nation on the planet, has plenty of wealth, more than enough resources to support the current flow of immigrants (capacity is actually higher than today’s immigration numbers). If you look at the number of immigrants, you will likely come to the conclusion that the number of people coming in on an annual basis is reasonable and we should do a more efficient job of ‘processing’ them.

Sounds like you are more interested in going with a financial driven policy first as opposed to morals. Let me ask you this…

The US currently allows about 1M people in legally a year- 600 of which are status changes for people already in the country.

DHS estimates are that approximately 300 new ILLEGAL immigrants come in on an annual basis

The number of immigrants coming in each year started declining in 2008, continue to decline in 2009 and has experience relative stability since.

It appears the current US Pres and his administration has successfully whipped a segment of the population up to borderline lynch mob levels of hysteria based on fact news and fear mongering.

My question to you is how few immigrants would you be satisfied with?

…A nation of immigrants betrays its roots.


#826

Umm. No.

Care to cite a source document?


#827

godisgood - I personally have very little interest in materialism, and recognise that the love of money/wealth can be very spiritually corrosive. Money itself is actually morally neutral - it can be used to good or bad purpose. When referring to the US National Debt, I am just reflecting on the practical issues and problems that throws up for the US and for other countries and individuals alike - if a country is in 'overdraft, then it assumes that when it spends $$$$$$, it is by and large other folks $$$$$$ - all too often, one way or another, denying the poor in other countries. When China loans to the US, it is from money it will not use to lift the fiscal poverty of its own poor.

I am all for Christian love, as expressed in practical concern for those oppressed in other countries - as well as those already oppressed in various ways in ones own country. But do we attempt to eradicate by various means the rotten states of their own governments/dictatorships, so they need not feel the need [mainly economic] to move to the ‘west’? Or do ‘we’, your country, mine, and others, just play ‘open house’?

p.s. My own income is very modest by western standards, and I am very content for that to be so - if I found myself burdened by riches, I would immediately set up a charity trust, into which most of that fiscal wealth would go. I indulge my own charitable pleasure in having a monthly direct debit arrangement with CAFOD - and will be giving an ‘Advent donation’ to the same worthy organisation. Somewhere in the Bible I believe Jesus reflects that there will ‘always be the poor’ - I believe it was a general reflection on the so often fallen nature of humanity.

When your founding fathers made such eloquent speeches as the ‘huddled masses’ one, they had the European poor in mind - those who had cultural and religious {and none] similarities to their own. They still had slaves, or were just beginning to wean themselves from them - mainly because up and coming machinery/industrialisation rendered keeping them less profitable - there are still many integration issues, 100 to 150 years on. The consequences of the ‘Tower of Babel’ live on.


#829

Oh you won’t get an argument from me about this!! I think we should do this instead of funding wars, invasions, covert operations, and meddling in governments all around the world on the basis of "National Security. I think it is crazy we are feeding other people all over the world without feeding our own people.

You seem to be making some kind of assumption about me that is not accurate. I am responding to the fact that these people are on the border, wanting to enter.

You have to admit, if we allowed it, there would be such a stream. That is what it was like when Lady Liberty first had her plaque opened.

I think this is very true. This is why a “wall” seemed absurd to me. We have so much technology that can be used to secure the borders, and process applicants. This administration only wants people from Norway, apparently, and everyone with brown or black skin is from a ****hole country.

It certainly is embarrassing.


#830

I know people that live in various parts of Mexico. Family members and very close friends. One is a huge advocate for Central American migrants and his wife is Central American. He has never said a negative word about any migrants before. Even he has stayed this group is different. They are insulting Mexicans and refusing the food offered to them. They are vandalizing and trashing everything. Crimes are being committed. Many of the women have opted to return home because of the way they have been treated in the caravan.

He told me what completely changed his mind about this group was when they were offered the same thing many Mexicans eat every day and didn’t just refuse it but accuses them of treating them like pigs. They are rude and nasty to even the people who have attempted to help them.

So, maybe it’s time to rethink this particular group. Unfortunately they are giving a bad name to all migrants.


#831

This is interesting.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/12/ungrateful-honduran-illegal-migrant-who-complained-about-mexican-pig-food-is-seen-dining-in-dallas-texas/


#832

After hearing from the people I know in Mexico, I am not at all surprised. She is only one of many who has complained like that. They don’t want beans, rice, noodles, tortillas, or any of the main staples that the people in Mexico live on. They insult them and try to shame them for not providing well enough for them while they expect it all for free. Many of the real refugees are also sick of their behavior. They have said they are embarrassed of them. It really is a bad situation.


#833

Perhaps it ought to be embarrassing when one’s generosity is being taken advantage of by leftist socialists attempting to gain political power by importing masses of immigrants with the promise of lots of free stuff?


#834

Thanks for posting.

Summary of the study:

https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Households-Access-Welfare-Programs

The study:

https://cis.org/sites/default/files/2018-11/numbers-welfare-18.pdf


#835

This caravan was orchestrated and all about the optics in US media.


#836

World youth day in 2019 will be in Panama, which is host to many refugees fleeing for safety. God in HIs infinite Wisdom never fails to amaze!~ Our children will be the future and will lead the way. They will learn the joy of charity and will prosper not in the way of consumerism and selfishness, but in the solace of giving a coat when we have two, and in the heart of solidarity where all men are our brothers. And to persons that have much, much more will be expected.

What an eye opening experience that country with it’s history of taking in refugees will be for our youth. I love our Church.


#837

The United States sends $297 million in aid to Guatemala, and $127 million in aid to Honduras. We are the most generous nation in the world.


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