[quote="Aryeh, post:1, topic:305498"]
I'm not sure how to word this question...
In Romans, Paul says he is an Israelite of Benjamin, and "God forbid" they are not chosen. Catholics believe they are Israel, does that mean they are Israelites? What does it mean that the Old Testament talks about patrilineal descent to be an Israelite, but the Church is Israel now? How is this consistent with geographic biblical description and prophecy? What does that mean for all Tanakh (Old Testament) prophecy for/of Jesus/the messiah? I have questions for how Christ, as the prophesied descendant of King David, can only be represented by a place that is not at the historic temple of the King, or the land that God set aside for his people. When the Messiah comes to establish the Israel on Earth, it would seem it would be from Jerusalem rather than Rome? Since New Testament authors knew about Rome.
I believe in Jesus Christ, however, my views are somewhat unconventional to the modern Church. (I believe the messiah is at the right hand of God, not identical to ha'Shem; John 1:18, 1 John 4:12; the difference between Theos and ha'Shem/Y'hvh).
Pardon my vagueness.
I have brought this up on other threads, but I think it would be worthwhile for you to study the blessing that Jacob gave to Ephraim, then follow 'Ephraim' throughout the Tanakh and wonder whether the blessings bestowed upon 'Ephraim' is representative of the church, or 'spiritual Israel'.
The blessing that Jacob gave to Ephraim basically seems to be the firstborn blessing that Jacob received from Isaac, and Isaac received from Abraham, and Abraham received from God.
In Jacob's blessing of Ephraim, Ephraim was told that he would multiply like fish and become a multitude of nations.
The prophet Hosea speaks of Ephraim more than any other book of the Tanakh. Both the apostle Peter and the apostle Paul refer to Lo-Ammi as representing the church.
and I will say to Not My People, (Lo-Ammi) you are my people"
and he shall say, ‘You are my God.’” (Hosea 2:23)
1 Peter 2:10: Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
Romans 9:24-25: even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? As indeed he says in Hosea,“Those who were not my people I will call ‘my people,’ and her who was not beloved I will call ‘beloved.’”
Concerning 'Lo-Ammi: *And the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, that is without measure, and shall not be numbered. And it shall be in the place where it shall be said to them: You are not my people (Lo-Ammi) be said to them: Ye are the sons of the living God. * (Hosea 1:10)
So what I am suggesting is that the apostles Peter and Paul understood 'Lo-Ammi' to represent the children of Israel represented under Ephraim who were to become the church of Jewish and Gentile believers in Jesus Christ, known as 'spiritual Israel'.
It is my conjecture, that ethnic, or natural Israel, or practicing Jews are of the other eleven tribes with the tribe of Judah representing them.
My personal conviction at this time, is that God has a purpose for both practicing Jews and for the church, and that they will become united in the last days, in a way in which He only knows.
The word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, take a stickd and write on it, ‘For Judah, and the people of Israel associated with him’; then take another stick and write on it, ‘For Joseph (the stick of Ephraim) and all the house of Israel associated with him.’ And join them one to another into one stick, that they may become one in your hand. And when your people say to you, ‘Will you not tell us what you mean by these?’ say to them, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am about to take the stick of Joseph (that is in the hand of Ephraim) and the tribes of Israel associated with him. And I will join with it the stick of Judah,e and make them one stick, that they may be one in my hand. ...My servant David shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall walk in my rules and be careful to obey my statutes.
(I do not think you will find this as a teaching anywhere, it is simply my own conjecture so take it with a grain of salt).
God's peace be with you