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Catholic Teaching and Immunization Policy


#103

At one time, giving medical advice was forbidden here, as a liability. I still think it is a risky proposition. With all the talk about risk free vaccines, I would like to add that medical advice is not risk free. Should you persuade some one who loses a child to a disease, would you not incur some of the guilt?


#104

I watched the video you posted and read about the first few speakers. I didn’t find it very convincing or unbiased. I realize this has become an emotional topic, and will leave it to those interested in continuing.


#105

But, in the countries that do mandate vaccines, are they denying school entry? This study doesn’t say the specific penalty per country, it just says that may be a penalty. My thoughts are that if school entry is denied those vaccine numbers would go up.


#106

Did you read the link?


#107

Yes, they have.

It’s called mutation. Pertussis was stable for decades, and decades, and decades.

Read your own abstract and you’ll see genetic mutation discussion.

It’s the exact same principle as finishing your round of prescribed antibiotics. It’s how superbugs are built.


#108

You do realize that there are no childhood vaccines used in the US that have thimerosol in them - they are all single dose vaccines, and have been for years? And that NOTHING has ever been linked to thimerosol use? Absolutely nothing?

RFK Jr. has just canned any shred of credibility he may have had left.

Anti-vax propaganda.

Wanted to add that as he’s an otherwise educated and intelligent person, he needs to have his fortunes read to him over still attempting to propagate this drivel.


#109

I can’t say I’m impressed for most of the reasons already posted.


#110

It is one of the most important health care goals to vaccinate as many people as possible.


#111

They used to - and then the “no vax” crews appeared.


#112

I missed that they are, so I apologize.


#113

Yes I read the following link and it is frightening:
DEVELOPMENT OF VACCINES FROM ABORTED BABIES

I am horrified to know that if you are vaccinated with chickenpox vaccine, rubella vaccine, hepatitis A vaccine, the polio portion of Pentacel (a combination shot for DTaP +Polio+ HiB), rabies vaccine, smallpox vaccine, and the shingles vaccine, then you are using a product which was developed from aborted babies, i.e., babies who were murdered in the womb.


#114

The argument From the Trace Amounts study:

After realizing the amount of mercury in the childhood vaccination schedule recommended by the CDC exceeded all national and global maximum safety limits, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the United States Public Health Service called for the immediate removal of Thimerosal from all vaccines on July 7, 1999.

By 2003, the vaccine manufacturers had begun to react to the 1999 call by lowering the mercury content in many of the Thimerosal-preserved early childhood vaccines. However, in April of 2002, the CDC began recommending that pregnant women and very young children get annual Thimerosal-preserved flu shots. The result was a ‘shell game’ which has caused widespread confusion in the public because of press reports declaring, “Since (select a year between 1999 and the present), mercury has been removed from all recommended vaccines for children except for some flu shots.”

Astoundingly, the total level of mercury exposure, if a child receives all the possible CDC-recommended vaccinations that are still Thimerosal preserved, from 6 months to 18 years of age, has actually increased. Significantly, if you put the amount of mercury added to the immunization schedule as a result of the CDC-recommended seasonal and (in 2009) H1N1 flu shots** on one side of a scale, and the amount of mercury that was subtracted from that schedule by reformulating early childhood vaccines without Thimerosal on the other side, the total amount of mercury added far outweighs the amount of mercury subtracted. In addition, today most tetanus shots and the multi-dose Sanofi Menomune® vaccine that are approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) still contain 25-micrograms-a-dose mercury.

Currently, the actions taken by the vaccine manufacturers, the FDA and the CDC have increased the possible maximum childhood exposure to mercury from vaccines to twice the level that triggered the 1999 call to remove mercury from all vaccines as soon as possible! Also, new vaccine formulations with 25 micrograms of mercury per 0.5-mL dose are still being approved by the FDA for administration to pregnant women and children.

**Most doses of these flu vaccines are Thimerosal-preserved.


#115

You’ll see the discussion, as well. They demonstrate that pertactin-deficient/negative B. pertussis isolates are occurring in vaccinated individuals. There is no mention of unvaccinated people being responsible for this phenomenon, perhaps because vaccination rates are high and stable. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/coverage.pdf For more current data, you’ll see that they’re even higher since 2009 by the time school starts. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6640a3.htm

The unvaccinated are not responsible for recent pertussis outbreaks; vaccine failure is.
http://www.hhs.gov/nvpo/nvac/meetings/pastmeetings/2013/feb2013_certified_minutes.pdf

Dr. Clark also did not believe the problem is related to unvaccinated children, because it occurred nationally and is widespread, and because the majority of those affected were vaccinated. CDC is discussing whether a single repeat Tdap dose would be effective. There is potential for developing new or improved vaccines to better control pertussis in the long term, Dr. Clark concluded."


#116

When did this happen? When was the Golden Age for vaccine compliance before then? Do you have any data, apart from what I’ve provided?


#117

I feel somewhat but not entirely comforted by the way Catholic moral theology addresses this. (Here I go, down that rabbit trail that I promised to avoid!) I took copious notes on this at a talk that I attended but the bottom line is that use of these vaccines, while ethically questionable, does not constitute direct, material cooperation with evil. The trade-off of preventing illness makes the matter more complex.

The only unequivocal moral obligation that the Church has given us is to pressure drug companies to develop more ethically sound vaccines. I’m pessimistic. What incentive would they have? Vaccines are mandated and indemnified, not exactly products with free market-related incentives.


#118

First, whether or not to mandate vaccines, whether or not such an action is justified or a violation of human rights, whether or not to use vaccines from fetal cell lines, etc. are all very much philosophical questions stemming from scientific knowledge. Relying on the scientific method to answer (vs. guide) matters of faith and philosophy is at the heart of scientism, an approach that Catholics would do best to avoid.

As for science itself, feel free to jump into the side discussion on pertussis, in which I’m providing a great deal of facts, evidence, data, and studies. Science is actually quite complex when you delve into it.


#119

Oh look. Another antivax website.

Why do you keep posting that garbage? Because that’s what it is. It’s not accurate, it’s propaganda. It’s known as a massive antivax hotbed.


#120

Here’s the issue - as explained on the reputable and reliable CHOP link I provided.

The five vaccines using the cell lines (and I honestly don’t care what other poo gets posted - it’s five vaccines, only five, and there are no other cell lines being used but those two that have been used for the last fifty years) can’t grow in any other media. We haven’t advanced that far yet.

I will say I am not sure why there are two different zoster vaccines (shingles). I honestly don’t know, but I can ask our immunizations office tomorrow and find out. I don’t mind doing that.

I’m not going to sit here and sing the praises of Big Pharma, but I’m also not going to sit here and say there aren’t people working this issue - because there are. I promise you. We need a better way of doing this stuff, and not just because of ethical questions like stem cell lines - we need a cheaper way of doing it. There actually are people who care about that and other issues.


#121

Who? You’re not being coy, are you? :wink:


#122

Because I don’t want to have products made from aborted babies injected into my system. They also have a DVD available. From the Children of God site:
" “An excellent 90-minute documentation of the shocking history behind the use of fetal cell lines in vaccines and the dire consequences this practice has thrust upon our current society. Well-organized data presented in a clear-cut format by Mrs. Debi Vinnedge, founder of Children of God for Life. An invaluable tool for education and action!” Donna Schwieder, Summers, AR

“Your DVD is a must-see for All parents who get their children vaccinated. I am a practicing Catholic and my oldest was born in 2005. I never heard any of this until last winter when I found your website. I wish the Vatican/USCCB had put word out for all churches to teach this. I had no idea that human aborted fetal DNA was in the vaccines that my children received. Immoral and unsafe! If it weren’t for you, I would still be clueless. Thank you for all of your work! Great DVD!” Amanda D Miller, Fort Wainwright, AK
Please see:
https://cogforlife.org/dvd/
and
https://cogforlife.org/
They also have some links to interviews broadcast on EWTN.


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