Catholics ARE "Christians"; so why aren't all Christians Catholic?

This is a two part question:

  1. D you believe {why or why not} that Catholics are Christians?

  2. Catholics ARE Christians, so why aren’t all Christians Catholics?

God Bless you

Patrick

Yes, of course Catholics are Christians. Catholicism is a subset of broader Christianity.

Yes, absolutely, because Catholics profess Jesus as Lord and they believe in Him, while also identifying as Christians.

Rather, I would ask:

Why aren’t all Christians Eastern Orthodox? Why aren’t all Christians Oriental Orthodox? Why aren’t all Christians Nestorians? Why aren’t all Christians Protestants? Why aren’t all Christians Restorationists? Why aren’t all Christians Spiritualist Christians? Why aren’t all Christians Racialist Christians? Why aren’t all Christians… non-Christians?

Yes, absolutely, because Catholics profess Jesus as Lord and they believe in Him, while also identifying as Christians, and they have always done so.

Rather, I might ask with equal validity:

Why aren’t all Christians Eastern Orthodox? Why aren’t all Christians Oriental Orthodox? Why aren’t all Christians Nestorians? Why aren’t all Christians Protestants? Why aren’t all Christians Restorationists? Why aren’t all Christians Spiritualist Christians? Why aren’t all Christians Racialist Christians? Why aren’t all Christians Esoteric Christians? Why aren’t all Christians Messianic Christians? Why aren’t all Christians… non-Christians?

Hatikvah;14147912]Rather, I might ask with equal validity:

Why aren’t all Christians Eastern Orthodox? Why aren’t all Christians Oriental Orthodox? Why aren’t all Christians Nestorians?

These are already One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

These below are considered catholic and fall under the umbrella of the Catholic church by virtue of a valid baptism.

If their baptism is not a valid baptism, then they do not fall under the protection of the Catholic Church.

Why aren’t all Christians Protestants? Why aren’t all Christians Restorationists? Why aren’t all Christians Spiritualist Christians? Why aren’t all Christians Racialist Christians? Why aren’t all Christians Esoteric Christians? Why aren’t all Christians Messianic Christians? Why aren’t all Christians… non-Christians?

Peace be with you

So this means catholic as in “orthodox” (not the eastern traditions, I mean the other definition)?

As with you.

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Makes no sense.

  1. All Catholic priests are Christians?
  2. Catholic priests are Christians, so why aren’t all Christians Catholic priests?

jane_doe - I guess you didn’t see the rest of their conversation.

  1. Yes Catholic are Christians, the original Christians. Fought for by the apostles of Christ, formed from the Word incarnate, continuing with the fullness of truth.

  2. All Christians are catholic in as far as they have a valid baptism, through the form & matter. They may be a bit separate from the Catholic church but they are baptized.

Just a note here. Your comment should read, non-Catholic Christians are a subset of Catholicism. Historically speaking the Catholic Church was the only Christian Church for 1500 years. The rest broke off from the Catholic Church, not the other way around.

  1. Yes because they are part of one body of many members who profess Christ Lord and Savior. And they strive to follow him according to their beliefs and faith and discernment and to the best of their finite understanding of an infinite God’s word.

  2. Because other Christians are also part of one body of many members who profess Christ Lord and Savior. And they strive to follow him according to their beliefs and faith and discernment and to the best of their finite understanding of an infinite God’s word.

No. I stand by my original statement as an authentic to my views and beliefs.

All kangaroos are marsupials but not all marsupials are kangaroos. :smiley:

There are many churches (mostly Protestant / non-denominational) who define themselves as “Christian”. They do not consider Roman Catholics (and quite a few others, quite honestly) to be “Christian” as they understand it. Is this part of the reason you ask?

Um, the Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox would disagree with this statement…

  1. Yes, Roman Catholics are Christians. They profess the historic creeds, believe in the Trinitarian God and accompanying baptism…

  2. Because Roman Catholicism is but one denomination among the many that make up Christianity (or the Body of Christ if you will). Many Christians (Protestant, Anglican, Orthodox) do profess directly to be members of Christ’s one, holy, catholic (i.e. Universal) and apostolic Church, but not members of the Roman Catholic Church specifically. As someone correctly stated above, all kangaroos are marsupials, but not all marsupials are kangaroos.

Of course, the statement could be countered with ‘not all Christians are Roman Catholic, many belong to one of the Eastern Churches.’

Statement 1 implies that all churches agree that the Creeds, Trinitarian belief and accompanying baptism are universally agreed as the definition of Christian - this is not true among protestantism or non-Apostolic Christianity at all.
Statement 2 implies that the Body of Christ inherently needs denominational fracture as a requirement - why would this be so?

This!!:thumbsup:

Because even among those who drop HIS name, divisiveness is part of being human. It’s in our DNA.

ICXC NIKA

Bolding mine

The Catholic Church is not one denomination among Christian Churches. The Catholic Church is the founding Christian Church. All the protestant denominations broke away from the Catholic Church.

*Disclaimer - I know there are the Eastern Orthodox Church and others who broke away far earlier than those of the reformation. I don’t comment on those as I don’t know a great deal about them. From my limited knowledge I know we are more similar than different from them.

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