Not surprising. Catholics have always had the working class, blue-collar vote.
Not unreasonable given that for centuries Catholics were persecuted, priests hunted down and killed; Catholics not allowed to vote or to hold real property. These oppressive laws were only lifted in ‘recent’ history.
The Roman Catholic Relief Act 1791 gave Catholics the right to own property valued at 2 pounds and thus some middle class Catholics the right to vote for the first time in centuries.
This Act also allowed them into the legal profession, universities and the military from which they had been excluded. It took another few generations for true emancipation for Catholics, culminating in the Roman Catholic Relief Act of 1829, which was seen as the culmination of the emancipation movement for Catholics in Britain although much further reform was required over time to restore all the rights of a citizen to English Catholics.
It would be hard to believe that, given this history of murder, oppression abuse and intolerance, that the average Catholic would vote for the establishment.
The Anglican church I think was a launch pad for usury lobbied by the venetian bankers and obviously the catholics wouldn’t get involved in that so would be excluded from society…
Catholics would do better if they avoided the extremes of both Labour and Conservative and voted instead for the Liberals.
That’s an interesting viewpoint. I take it that the British Liberal party isn’t like the American “liberals” / “progressives”, then?
Voting Lib Dem. Not a chance!
I remember when many people did this in 2010 thinking Nick Clegg was a reasonable man but we ended up with something called the Conservative – Liberal Democrat Coalition. I’m still not sure what that means but in any case David Cameron is still the top guy here.
In England you only really have 2 choices, Labor and Conservative.
I wouldn’t be surprised if many people turn to the more radical parties over time though.
I thought the labour party was pretty much the same as the US liberal/progressive
Guide to the parties’ platforms, for the non-UK people:
It’s from 2010 elections, but it gives you a sense.
Thanks! That makes sense.
There is always a position inbetween left wing lunacy and right wing lunacy.
It never amazes me how the devil can get people to buy the whole left wing loaf or the whole right wing loaf–he doesn’t care which one you buy–he wins either way.
It’s like the people that buy the whole capitalist loaf or the whole socialist loaf.
The real truth is inbetween.
Golden words indeed.
I’m not British, but in most respects our situation is similar. You can only vote for either the Conservatives (Liberal-National Coalition in Ausralia) or Labour (ALP - Australia Labor Party), the Greens, a handful of independents or a few other minor parties.
There was a time when the ALP was heavily Catholic, as in England, since (Irish) Catholics were discriminated against for quite a long time in an hierarchical Anglican based (ex-Brisish colonial) society, but the new trendies have moved away from that base.
So there’s really only two major parties to vote for. And the USA isn’t much different. For Conservatives read Republican, for ALP / Labour read Democrats.
There are a few “Christian” parties, but in true Protestant division, they’re divided, despite holding hardly any seats in Parliament or the Senate. I’ve attached a list of official political parties in Australia at the following link. Most of them don’t have a seat in parliament or the Senate, and there’s a few cranks amongst them eg. The Pirate Party, Bullet Train for Australia, Fishers and Shooters. Looks like we’ve got a bit of good old British eccentricity down under as well.
The parties that you could call overtly “Christian” are “Australian Christians”, “Christian Democratic Party”, and “Family First Party”. They’ve got very few seats between them, but as I said, in typical Protestant fashion, they’re dividing their resources. So a vote for them is not only Protestant, but probably a waste of time.
So it gets back to the two major parties / coalitions as the only two credible alternatives by and large. And it’s probably not much different anywhere in the English speaking world, since we all inherited our parliamentary systems from the British, with some modifications.
That is why UKIP are getting more popular. I’m not at all surprised.
I am not surprised Catholics identify more with the Labour party. Here in the USA more Catholics voted for Obama (think history - Kennedy, Daley, Irish, Italian immigrants). That includes myself which I sorely regret now - the left in America is so out of control it’s starting to feel like the Robespierre days in France (just joking, kind of…). Still terrified of the right in America though - especially on free market issues and the environment. Will probably go back to the right (been there before), given the war on the Catholic Church - I feel like I have to - but also have a feeling I’ll regret it. Catholics don’t have a good party in any country I don’t think. The Pope’s upcoming statements on the environment are going to be very interesting - hope the right listens.
Majority of regular mass going Catholics voted for Mitt Romney, but when self identified Catholics are counted, Obama won the vote
This could be a seperat thread of its own but I will pose it here first to see how it works out.
Want policies would you hope to see on offer by a catholic leaning political party to become a viable option for election?
My ideal party:
- Pro life
- Pro traditional marriage / gay civil unions
- Pro environment - or at least ready to weigh protection of the environment very heavily and uncompromisingly against economic concerns, especially short term profit
- Pro immigration with strong protection of border, English language requirements
- Free market with some basic government programs, such as unemployment benefits, social security, etc. (Obamacare is a little over the top.)
Wrote this fast - hope it makes sense.
Yes. Tax and spend. :rolleyes:
And it doesn’t work any better over there than it does in America :yup:.
Best option would be for Catholics to vote their values (and I mean Catholic values, not one’s own selfish desires that come with excuses the author thinks are clever but utterly fail at fooling me) and get the political parties to compete with each other on how Catholic they can be.
If you’re talking about running third party in America, 99 times out of 100 you’ll most likely be helping the party most damaging to your cause.