[quote=RomanRiteTeen]My grandmother says this often, usually presenting it as her reason for being a Protestant. Often our conversations go like this:
G: "Catholics do not believe in God’s Grace!"
Me: "But we do…"
G: "No you do not. All I no is that when I was 11, and when I was saved, God has always been with me!“
G: *stubbornly walks away and/or shrugs of what I else I say”
How do I counter this? I think she would be convinced if she saw some sort of Church Document, or heard a ‘good’ argument. Any suggestions?
Assuming that you are quoting her correctly, the one statement…
G: “No you do not. All I no is that when I was 11, and when I was saved, God has always been with me!”
…makes it sound like your grandmom’s position is, “Once saved, always saved, by God’s grace; Catholics don’t believe in ‘once saved, always saved’; therefore, Catholics don’t believe in God’s grace!”
In fact, the gospels condemn this position, first by implicitly condemning once saved, always saved, in the Parable of the Ten Virgins; and second by condemning certainty of future salvation in the Parable of the Pharisee and the Publican.
In the Parable of the Ten Virgins, Matrthew 25:1-13, there are two groups of virgins. Each has “five (5)” virgins, where each virgin in each group has a “lighted lamp.” Five = “Christ.” “Lighted lamp” = Fire Type = “a special presence of God.” So, the parable gives us a double assurance that each group starts out saved in the parable. One group nonetheless ends up locked-out of the feast. I.e., the lost their salvation. This is clearly not “once saved, always saved.”
In the Parable of the Pharisee and the Publican, the Publican has one redeeming social value – he is humble enough to suspect that he is damned. Christ says that he is saved. The Pharisee, on the other hand, fasts twice a week, prays in the Temple, and tithes. He clearly believes that he is saved. Christ declares him “unjustified” – damnable.
Whom does your grandmom most resemble?