Catholics VS. Protestants?


#1

this issue kinda got started in another thread but im just curious not being a cradle Catholic myself. why does there seem to be such a we VS. them attitude? and is it just protestants or is it everyother religion but Catholicism?


#2

[quote=TarAshly]this issue kinda got started in another thread but im just curious not being a cradle Catholic myself. why does there seem to be such a we VS. them attitude? and is it just protestants or is it everyother religion but Catholicism?
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Well, here we go. I’ll deposit my two cents. Every revealed religion has been split into “schools” of thought. Most of the time, the individual schools believe they are right (why else would there be different schools). The core of this problem, I believe, lies in the fact that we are 'fractured". In the Christian faith, we say that humans are sinful. Being sinful, we are not whole. We are not perfect. We have problems. We cannot see the truth sometimes.

I personally have been on the forefront of the “us vs. them” philosophy, but I have committed myself to not be that way. If you want to call it tolerance, that’s fine. I consider it respectful. I believe I can be wrong on some things, so I try to keep myself open to debate and opinion. Doesn’t always work that way, but I try. :slight_smile:

God bless…


#3

Personally for me it isn’t a we verses them issue. I converted from Lutheran approximately 3-years ago and have been active on my spiritual journey since then! I found my home in the Catholic Church…I found truth and through the sacraments have become so much closer to God…our Father than I ever could have been being Lutheran! Many of my friends are Protestant and as much as I love them and feel it is a true blessing that they have a relationship with God…I pray that they find the fullness of faith that I have found since being home at the Catholic Church! So I guess it goes back to ahimsaman72 comment…that each of us believe we are right!

[quote=ahimsaman72] Most of the time, the individual schools believe they are right (why else would there be different schools).
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#4

i agree but a question. is it still that way? why do we have to be so solo? i had a friend of mine the other day compare catholocism to an exclusive fraterinity, do we seclude ourselves or are we truly open to the thoughts and ideas of other people?


#5

Traci… is Catholicism the only way to find the fullness of faith? are all non catholics wrong?


#6

[quote=TarAshly]Traci… is Catholicism the only way to find the fullness of faith? are all non catholics wrong?
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Catholicism is the way to find the fullness of faith. Some non-catholics are closer than others, but only Catholics have the chance to experience “fullness.”

I’m a recent convert too, and I have struggled with this issue because all my friends and most of my family are still protestant. I fear rejection and conflict at times, but I keep telling myself to love and pray for them…and try not to give up love for the purpose of being right.

Unfortunatly, I find alot of catholics, cradle or new, that don’t realize what they have in this faith and church, and so many are not living the “fullness” either. We should pray for those being catecized right now…that they would learn the faith properly.


#7

[quote=TarAshly]i agree but a question. is it still that way? why do we have to be so solo? i had a friend of mine the other day compare catholocism to an exclusive fraterinity, do we seclude ourselves or are we truly open to the thoughts and ideas of other people?
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What do you mean “do we seclude ourselves or are we truly open to the thoughts and ideas of other people”? First, I don’t think Catholics seclude themselves and I don’t understand how anyone could say that we do. (Unless they misunderstand something Catholic–such as only Catholics receiving the Eucharist.) And I don’t think Catholics should be “truly open to the thoughts and ideas of other people” if by that you mean be open to being like Protestants. Catholicism, unlike other Christian denominations, is not, never has been, and never will be a democracy. Thank God for that!


#8

[quote=La Chiara]What do you mean “do we seclude ourselves or are we truly open to the thoughts and ideas of other people”? First, I don’t think Catholics seclude themselves and I don’t understand how anyone could say that we do. (Unless they misunderstand something Catholic–such as only Catholics receiving the Eucharist.) And I don’t think Catholics should be “truly open to the thoughts and ideas of other people” if by that you mean be open to being like Protestants. Catholicism, unlike other Christian denominations, is not, never has been, and never will be a democracy. Thank God for that!
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I agree that we should watch what we are being “open” to. We are not to compromise to be social acceptable. But before we judge protestants too harshly, we need to keep in mind that most of them have no idea that they have no idea. I mean that they don’t know some of what they believe is in error. Some are trying hard to live what they have been taught, and don’t realize what is wrong with it. We need to teach with love and prayer, and not judge…lest we be judged.


#9

Usually it’s the non-Catholic Christians that put Catholism in a seperate category (not all of them do this.) I think part of the difference is Catholics have an authortative church.

We do not sit around reading the Bible (we DO read the Bible) thinking what does it mean? The church was given authority by Christ (I’ll look up the Bible refences for this and get back with you.)We are obligated to follow that authority, it gives us proper interpretation of the Bible. Protestant churches do not have a such authority so they make decisions on their own what they think the Bible means. Obviously they don’t all reach the same conclusions hence all the different denominations.

We certainly can learn from them when the matter isn’t contrary to the teachings of the church. For instance Protestants are generally more familiar with the Bible, they are often better at evangelizing ect. We are all part of the body of Christ, it is sad that we are divided.


#10

[quote=La Chiara]What do you mean “do we seclude ourselves or are we truly open to the thoughts and ideas of other people”? First, I don’t think Catholics seclude themselves and I don’t understand how anyone could say that we do. (Unless they misunderstand something Catholic–such as only Catholics receiving the Eucharist.) And I don’t think Catholics should be “truly open to the thoughts and ideas of other people” if by that you mean be open to being like Protestants. Catholicism, unlike other Christian denominations, is not, never has been, and never will be a democracy. Thank God for that!
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Agreed.

While I will discuss the pillars of my faith with anyone - I often do - they are not open to change. If “tolerance” means that I have to accept your contrary viewpoint, then I will not tolerate it. Tolerance is not a virtue.

As you say, thank God our Church is not a democracy!


#11

[quote=TarAshly]Traci… is Catholicism the only way to find the fullness of faith? are all non catholics wrong?
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The Catholic church has the fulliness of the Faith. Our seperated Christian brothers and sisters have some of the truths of the faith, but only the one Church established by Christ has the fullness of truth.

The catholic church was the only Christian Church for many centuries. It wasn’t until some revolted against the church did we have these different denominations. The Church that Christ established on earth (the apostles were the 1st Bishops, Peter was the 1st pope) has the full truth.


#12

okay but why are they wrong? whats wrong? what makes us so right?


#13

i guess my point is how do we expect to bring people into our ways if we are so intimidating and cold to anyone or anything different?i just feel that its time for a different approach. to make people feel like family, like church is a second home to them, a place to feel welcomed, and to feel a sense of belonging. i believe thats what Christ would want, even he loved sinners. he humbled himself to wash their feet.


#14

[quote=TarAshly]okay but why are they wrong? whats wrong? what makes us so right?
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One reason is Sola Scriptura, that’s all they have but we have scripture, magisterum, and tradition.


#15

[quote=TarAshly]Traci… is Catholicism the only way to find the fullness of faith? are all non catholics wrong?
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TarAshly…I think that you misunderstood my post a little. Personally for me I didn’t/couldn’t find the fullness of faith that I found in the Catholic Church because mostly I found this opportunity through the Sacraments not offered by other denominations. So based on my experience I wish that I could bring my Protestant brothers and sisters to the fullness of faith that I found…but only God can call them to that.

“are all non Catholics wrong?” Hmm that’s a loaded question…I obviously can’t say whether non Catholics are wrong or not…that is for God to say. I do know that I believe the teachings of the Catholic Church, I believe in the Authority given to the Catholic Church by God. The Catholic teachings differ from many of those taught in other denominations…so does that make them wrong…? Well I know it makes them wrong for me and my beliefs.


#16

i didnt mean personally, (sorry i should have clarified) i meant as a group mentality as Catholics what are yalls experiances with that, and other peoples opinions about the faith?


#17

[quote=TarAshly]i guess my point is how do we expect to bring people into our ways if we are so intimidating and cold to anyone or anything different?i just feel that its time for a different approach. to make people feel like family, like church is a second home to them, a place to feel welcomed, and to feel a sense of belonging. i believe thats what Christ would want, even he loved sinners. he humbled himself to wash their feet.
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I beg to differ. You are the one who is saying that “we are so intimidating and cold to anyone or anything different”. My parish has lots of converts every year so Catholicism must not be that intimidating. What you describe is a very Protestant approach–social “fellowship”. But that is why so many members of the same congregation don’t necessarily agree with the doctrine of that denomination or why so many congregations are just loose groups of people in fellowship but not in agreement theologically. I sense that you are a convert who has not fully embraced what your new faith stands for. I do hope you grow in our Catholic faith and learn to love it for what it is.


#18

[quote=TarAshly]i agree but a question. is it still that way? why do we have to be so solo? i had a friend of mine the other day compare catholocism to an exclusive fraterinity, do we seclude ourselves or are we truly open to the thoughts and ideas of other people?
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If there ideas contradict the teachings of the church we reject them because the church is the truth in every way and does not teach error. You can’t expect us to change because the protestants came along and they have a different view. We must keep the faith consistent in every way.


#19

ok i have fully accepted my faith however i have not turned my brain off. i think and see and feel things that may or may not go 100% along with the doctrines and according to my priest thats ok God made me that way. i’ve just seen to many leave the RCIA and the church because they felt like they could not be forgiven for past sins. not by God but by his people. its just sad. thats all.


#20

[quote=jimmy]If there ideas contradict the teachings of the church we reject them because the church is the truth in every way and does not teach error. You can’t expect us to change because the protestants came along and they have a different view. We must keep the faith consistent in every way.
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Exactly.

Keep in my mind that there is SOME truth in most religions. But we believe that the Catholic faith is the reposit of God’s total revealed truth to us. It’s not about bragging rights or tolerance for other viewpoints or anything like that. It just is.


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