Catholics worship the Sun god?

I had to see what Sid Roth had going on his show this AM. There was a dude who went to moronic lengths to show how we Catholics are worshipping Ra or Baal.:eek:

It was considered sinister that a sun was painted at the apex of dome in the Sistine (close to sinister isn’t it?) Chapel as if that meant we couldn’t possibly have a painting of the sun within all the frescos of creation and Biblical stories since they have something do to with the natural world.

We have other “round” symbols and even have a “round” host for worshipping – instead of Jesus/Yeshua. They tried to show that one of the Holy Father’s stoles had some “circles” in it.

It seems the fundies find it fun to compare the hosts used for Eucharist as being sun god worship, too. I guess they got tired of the “death cookie” concept and dreamed up some new tripe. :banghead:

All this reminds me of the criminal who works so hard not to work. The fundies work so hard to prove we are wrong that they may be sinning greatly in making weirdo and odd claims about the Church that Christ insituted.

Sigh! ADMG!
Mamamull

Woe be to the Vacation Bible school staff of my mother’s church if my son ever attends – he is learning apologetics already and he is six years old.:thumbsup:

I worship the God who created the Sun.

I worship the Son of God the creator,

Caution: I am fairly new, signed up but not yet attended a RCIA / RCIC class. Sid Roth is great in my opinion. At least he is trying to reach Jews with the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Somebody has read a few too many Jack Chick tracts. Your heretic is saying Ra instead of Isis, Horus and Seb. No difference and same logic. Here is what I concluded after researching myself:

I am not an educated theologian or Bible Scholar. I decided not to rely on sectarian interpretations of Bible passages that seem to some degree to be ambiguous because they are disagreed upon by men of faith. I must rely on God’s mercy when it comes to deciding controversial topics - because I can easily be wrong. In doing my research, I only counted on Bible scriptures that are plain and not controversial. And I decide to count on external evidence such as how I see other people live their lives. The scriptural backing for my method of determination is John 7:15-20. The context of John 7:15-20 is set up in John 7:13-14. I’m paraphrasing: The correct way that leads to life is narrow. Those who find it are few. There are many false prophets. And how can I determine the right way if I am lost. If I am a lost sheep, how can I find the Good Shepherd?

Eucharist. Jack Chick says the wafer god is an idol and calls Roman Catholics are idolaters (that I.H.S. stands for Egyptian gods Isis, Horus and Seb). John Wesley’s Articles of Faith (article 18) says transubstantiation is “repugnant to the plain words of Scripture”. Yet to me the plain words of scripture do not seem to refute transubstantiation plainly enough. John 6:53-58 has Jesus teaching to eat his body and drink his blood. The ancient Egyptians did not have our current alphabet. I recall seeing the letters I.H.S. on the alter and on a cross when I was a Methodist. An English non-Catholic website explains I.H.S. “They are sometimes explained as the initial letters of Jesus Hominum Salvator, i.e., Jesus Saviour of Men; or as In Hac Salus, i.e., In this (Cross) is Salvation.” … and that "I.H.S. on a headstone signifies that the person buried below is asleep ‘In Jesus.’ "

The Roman Catholic Bishop Fulton Sheen’s lifelong faithfulness had a very specific focus. Fulton J. Sheen promised God he would make a Holy Hour of Prayer before Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament everyday of his life. Bishop Sheen has a very deep understanding of God’s word. One of Bishop Sheen’s faults was that he would take unusual means (newspapers, TV) go to very great lengths to reach others for Christ. As a young New Yorker, I knew he had a column in our newspaper (much the same as Billy Graham). Recently, I have been reading the transcripts of Bishop Sheen’s telecasts and they have been very helpful. I cannot see Bishop Sheen as an idolater. How could Bishop Sheen’s teachings be so good if at the center core of his being and his faithfulness he was wrong?

Another Roman Catholic witness that touched my life is Father Damian (hearing of his work from a leper at the leper colony in 1976). “Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends” (St. John 15:13). Father Damian died from leprosy in Hawaii. Father Damian was a Christian and not an idolater.

Other Roman Catholic witnesses are the Benedictine Sisters on Linton Hall Road. It is an obvious fact to open-minded Christians living in Prince William County that their ministry is has been and continues to be one of the most significant ministries in our County (BARN, etc.). I once attended a workshop with the sisters. At the workshop, I was quite convinced how much the Sisters loved Jesus. And how they experience the Presence of Christ by faith while they pray the Psalms with Jesus.

Since these precious brothers and sisters are Christians and not idol worshippers, Jack Chick must be wrong. I accept the spiritual fruit of their lives as evidence that the Roman Catholic teaching about the Eucharist is correct.

[quote=Mamamull]I had to see what Sid Roth had going on his show this AM. There was a dude who went to moronic lengths to show how we Catholics are worshipping Ra or Baal.:eek:

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If these people spent as much time learning the truth as they do making up lies they would have been part of the Church Christ founded long ago. I can’t help thinking that they are afraid of finding the truth if they looked at things as they really are. :banghead:

It is an old, old accusation of anti-Catholic evangelist types to say this about the Sun and pagan gods.

A person cannot go around worshipping the wrong entity without knowing it (and we certainly don’t honor any pagan gods at Mass, do we.) “It is all Glory to God in the highest! Peace to His people on Earth.” The Holy, Immortal One. God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Never is the name of a pagan god invoked.

It is kind of obsessive-compulsive to go around saying all round things seem like the Sun, therefore some Sun god(s), and therefore that they are being worshiped. What about the Olympics? The symbol is made of lots of “rings” of many colors. Ooooh. Or what about basketball games? Or pizza! It could all so easily be one big SUN CONSPIRACY.
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[quote=Cherub],Or pizza! It could all so easily be one big SUN CONSPIRACY.
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Oh nooooooo…

Not pizza.
Pizza is my favorite food group.

Caution: I am fairly new, signed up but not yet attended a RCIA / RCIC class. Sid Roth is great in my opinion. At least he is trying to reach Jews with the gospel of Jesus Christ.

I understand where you are coming from but if the guy is giving a voice the kind of lunacy described in the original post, then it forms a lot of questions in my mind as to exactly what gospel he’s reaching out with. I’m not familiar with Roth, but if he’s allowing these lies to be presented uncritically on his show, then he’s just as guilty of them as the guest.

God can use anything for the greater good and He always does so even with great evil. Because some good may come of these sorts of ministries does not mean that we should therefore call them good. Any good that results is from God alone and happens in spite of these false preachers and not because of them.

Again, I don’t know Roth, so I can’t say for sure how I feel about him specifically but he’d sure earn a lot of credibility if he didn’t take the anti-Catholic claims as gospel without questioning their authenticity or allowing a Catholic rebuttal.

[quote=Socrates]…I’m not familiar with Roth, but if he’s allowing these lies to be presented uncritically on his show, then he’s just as guilty of them as the guest.

Again, I don’t know Roth, so I can’t say for sure how I feel about him specifically but he’d sure earn a lot of credibility if he didn’t take the anti-Catholic claims as gospel without questioning their authenticity or allowing a Catholic rebuttal.
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sidroth.org

Sid Roth’s usual focus is on Messianic Judaism (that Jesus Christ was and is the Jewish Messiah). He is a fairly good source for information about Christian Judaism and how Jewish symbolism fits nicely into Christianity. Of course he isn’t part of the Roman Catholic Church, so he is susceptible to typical Protestant lies – and this is the first time I’ve heard him do that. I haven’t heard Sid Roth’s show for awhile.

I notice that my parish’s Roman Catholic priests are fairly quick at finding incorrect theology and dangerous fads. It is comforting to know that our Lord has provided such good shepherds. So I’m not surprised to see that all you Catholics notice incorrect things quickly too.

When this comes up I usually say, “I know the Sun is a medium sized star located 93 million miles from earth. I do not believe that it has a personality or is divine. It is a created object and is not a living self-aware being. I have seen it in a telescope and learned all of this in astronomy class. Now please explain how I, believing that, worship the Sun?”.

You know, I guess I must worship speedometers and tachometers since I have them both in my car, my jeep and my bike. Come to think of it my wife must worship them too because she has them in her van. Well, actually, she must only worship speedometers since her van doesn’t have a tachometer. Of course we have round dishes to symbolize our devotion to speedometers and tachometers. :whacky:

I am Catholic and of course I worship the SON!!!

What do you think about the connection between Psalm 104 and the Hymn to the Aten?

http://kate.stange.com/egypt/aten.htm

[quote=Myhrr]What do you think about the connection between Psalm 104 and the Hymn to the Aten?

[kate.stange.com/egypt/aten.htm](“http://kate.stange.com/egypt/aten.htm”)
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There is good evidence that Pharaoh Akhenaten and King David may have been contemporaries in the 11th century B.C. See the following books by British archaeologist David M. Rohl:
[list]
*]Pharaohs and Kings
*]Legend
*]The Lost Testament
[/list]The Exodus took place around 1450 B.C. when Dudimose of the 13th Dynasty was pharaoh. This, if true, would place Moses 400 years before Akhenaten.

Hmmm… must have been a slow news day in La La Land… :clapping: :clapping:

Of course we all know that the Divine Sun is displayed in St. Peter’s.

That’s what “they” say, anyway.

Justin

As a soon to be convert, I’ve heard that Sun-god thing before. I’ve also been told that Catholics worship statues to which I’ve replied, “Not all statues… only the really pretty ones!” hahahaha! :slight_smile:

[quote=larryo]There is good evidence that Pharaoh Akhenaten and King David may have been contemporaries in the 11th century B.C. See the following books by British archaeologist David M. Rohl:
[list]
*]Pharaohs and Kings
*]Legend
*]The Lost Testament
[/list]The Exodus took place around 1450 B.C. when Dudimose of the 13th Dynasty was pharaoh. This, if true, would place Moses 400 years before Akhenaten.
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Very very interesting…thanks for the info! :thumbsup:

[quote=carol marie]As a soon to be convert, I’ve heard that Sun-god thing before. I’ve also been told that Catholics worship statues to which I’ve replied, “Not all statues… only the really pretty ones!” hahahaha! :slight_smile:
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Tell them, “That’s so pre-Vatican II; Catholics worship banners and potted plants nowadays!”

Justin

[quote=larryo]There is good evidence that Pharaoh Akhenaten and King David may have been contemporaries in the 11th century B.C. See the following books by British archaeologist David M. Rohl:
[list]
*]Pharaohs and Kings
*]Legend
*]The Lost Testament
[/list]The Exodus took place around 1450 B.C. when Dudimose of the 13th Dynasty was pharaoh. This, if true, would place Moses 400 years before Akhenaten.
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Have you read Rohl on the Sumerian ‘Adam and Eve’?

Ra as the Sun God has a long history in Egypt, the Aten is described in the link below as being the disc of the sun in which Ra dwells.

touregypt.net/aten.htm

In one of the many Egypt programmes on Discovery there was an explanation of Akhenaten’s understanding of himself as the personification of Aten, and as the Aten sent light to the world he thought himself the giver of the spiritual light of the Sun to those around him.

I wonder how the Hymn to the Aten got included in the OT?

There’s supposed to be a reference somewhere in the OT against Sun worship, anyone know where?

[quote=jmm08]…And I decide to count on external evidence such as how I see other people live their lives. The scriptural backing for my method of determination is John 7:15-20. The context of John 7:15-20 is set up in John 7:13-14. I’m paraphrasing: The correct way that leads to life is narrow. Those who find it are few. There are many false prophets. And how can I determine the right way if I am lost. If I am a lost sheep, how can I find the Good Shepherd?
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I wish somebody would have complained that they couldn’t follow my logic.
It is Matthew chapter 7, not John chapter 7.
RCIA is tonight.

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