[quote="earl40, post:16, topic:311720"]
If Catholics accept Paul I will wait to see if you can answer the challenge. Calvin brings out "thats not fair" in the explination of how the will of God chooses who is saved based on His will. I do not see anybody here rising to the challenge.
Did you even bother to read the Haydock commentary that was linked in one of the other posts, or the excerpts from the Aquinas Bible Study? My goodness.
Why do Calvinists even bother? You believe we are all going to hell (we're the great Babylon, after all, right?), so there's really no point for even 'evangelizing,' except to pridefully prove to yourself that you are one of the elect, and then, again out of pride, you challenge centuries of theological insight reconciling free will and election.
Why does God even give us commandments? Is He taunting us? How can He be just if we are not condemned justly? Perhaps a just and merciful God, election, and free will can exist together? Not for the Calvinist: they limit the infinite God to their level of understanding, and, as all Protestants, use Scripture in a manner that was never intended.
We are all dead in sin. If God shows mercy to some of us, it is more than we deserve. We cannot complain against Him for showing mercy to some, when we all deserve death, and we cannot complain against Him for allowing others to die in their sins. The extent of our earthy inheritance (Esau) or our status (Pharoah) doesn't matter. When some reject God by sinning (as they did), how can we question God for allowing them to die in their own sins?
Read the commentary. Both the Haydock commentary and Copland's Aquinas Study give more than adequate explanations.
Now explain this verse: "The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance" (2 Peter 3: 9).
and this one: "First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way. This is good, and it is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Timothy 2: 1-4).
and this one: "I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live..." (Deuteronomy 30: 19).
Seems kind of strange that God would not wish any to parish, want all to reach repentance, want us to pray for ALL MEN, desire all men to be saved, and have all come to knowledge of truth. Additionally, it makes very little sense for God to set both life and death before Israel, if He didn't desire for them to actually choose life, but rather willed them to choose death. If this is the case, then not only is God not just, but He's also a liar, AND the creator of evil (since He willed all evil). My, oh my. Some theology may need to be rethought...