Chicago/Milwaukee

Does anyone know if there would any interest for an additional latin mass community in Chicago or Milwaukee or nearby areas??? I believe those cities already have at least one…

Chicago has several Latin Mass communities, including the Shrine of Christ the King at the American Provincial offices of the Institute of Christ the King.

Being larger and old Archdioceses, I imagine that there might well be. The real question is whether there is greater demand beyond what is already being offerred or if additional communities would just splinter the devotees from the already existing ones into several places.

The Shrine of Christ the King is expanding rapidly. They recently had to outfit a new chapel for the growing congregation until the main building is complete.

I think chicago’s point, though, was that some of these growing congregations may be at the expense of St. John Cantius and St. Thomas More. The ideal is that the growth is from the local community or from fallen-away Catholics. It’s ok that people drive 100 miles to attend a TLM but one would hope the M.P. has made driving such long distances unnecessary.

Exactly!

There is a Latin Traditional mass in Mukewonago, WI (I might spelled it wrong) It is St. Pius V was St. James,which built a new one. I have been there once. St. Pius V beautiful old church try counting all the stained glass windows, may not be in the diocese as a TLM but that may change with the MP out. They had a priest fly in for Sat and Sunday but I haven’t been there for quite some time so it may be diff. Take a hat and wear a dress if you go. It is very reverent.
Dessert

[quote=chicago]The real question is whether there is greater demand beyond what is already being offerred or if additional communities would just splinter the devotees from the already existing ones into several places.
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Tim’s point is well taken. In fact, I’d like to post a poll somewhere off of the traditional board to assess how many of us Novus Ordonians feel that the MP affects us. Most I’ve talked to felt okay for the TLM people, but feel that the MP will have little effect on the Church at large.

I think some traditionalists feel that unchaining the TLM would solve all the Church’s problems. Doubt it.

John

I think some traditionalists feel that unchaining the TLM would solve all the Church’s problems. Doubt it.

And your point is what?

Bob, that pretty much speaks for itself. I feel that many traditionalists felt/feel that freeing up the celebration of the “Mass of Antiquity” would solve what they perceive to be the problems of the Church today. I don’t think so. That is the point.

John

I do think that there is some truth to what John says here. While I don’t typically hear it said directly much anymore, it still tends to be implied. Just a few years ago there were not a few who would outright tell you that, “If only we had Latin in the Liturgy again,” then things would be better. Or they would point to all that has gone wrong in the Church and the world and insist that this decline started when Latin was no longer the standard and, especially, when the new Mass came in. Has that underlying mentality REALLY changed?

We have many TLM’s in the Chicago area.

St. Thomas More
St. John Cantius
Carmelite Shrine in Munster, IN
Christ the King Sovereign Priest
Cistercian Fathers Our Lady Mother of The Church (Willow Springs)

Now, I know my parish will definitely move forward to get a TLM - we had a temporary indult last year and we had 50-100 people attending each time.

Bob, that pretty much speaks for itself. I feel that many traditionalists felt/feel that freeing up the celebration of the “Mass of Antiquity” would solve what they perceive to be the problems of the Church today. I don’t think so. That is the point.

I don’t see the simply freeing up the Mass would solve anything. In fact, it may make things worse, at least at the onset. However, to simply dismiss it as “No, it won’t change a thing” really undermines the perceived association of the old rite has with the period before irreverance and other things (no more fear of Hell, child molestations, gay acceptance, divorced Catholic acceptance, etc.) that have been the epitomy of many Catholic attacks in recent years. There really is no choice but to go back to that state where some psychological connection takes place between what the Church should be like and where someone’s spiritual state should be. (Did I say that right?) Yes, it’s more than the Mass but, hey, the Mass is where it starts. At least that’s the way I see it.

Tough to say which is the underlying mentality, just like it would to tough to determine which came first, the dropping of Latin studies in public schools or the acceptance of vernacular in the Mass. Both came roughly about the same time it seemed. And it did seem that Catholics had little problem with the Latin because it was taught in all schools. (For me it was my fun period.)

I think what we’re trying to say is that in order for the Latin Mass to work, other mentalities/mindsets have to fall in place. (Or vice versa?) Would you agree with that?

Please stick to the OP’s topic, or I will have to close the thread. Thank you.

Although there are several Tridentine Masses available in city of Chicago, the situation in the suburbs is a different story. I am in the northwest suburbs and am hoping that we can have a TLM here soon. The nearest one is at St. Peter’s in Volo, which is about 40 minutes away from me, and is at 12:30.

I think the Carmelite sisters in DesPlaines have one, also.

Fr. Chester has an unapproved on in the western burbs.

Admitedly, I would like to see some basic Latin at least taught in every school as a norm. But, then, when we can’t even get the kids to speak or write proper English we’re already at a disadvantage.

I think what we’re trying to say is that in order for the Latin Mass to work, other mentalities/mindsets have to fall in place. (Or vice versa?) Would you agree with that?

I think I understand what you are trying to say. I don’t know that I necessarily agree, however.

St. John Vianney (Northlake) has a weekly TLM at 10am.

St. Andrews in Calumet City, 1st Sat

And there is a SSPX in Oak Park

And another unapproved one in Lake Zurich.

There are no approved Masses in the Joliet diocese, among the ten richest in the country. (My area would probably be the last in the country to get a weekly TLMass. My only hope, as I was telling chicago, is to have Latin taught at the College of DuPage.)

[quote=BobP123]There are no approved Masses in the Joliet diocese, among the ten richest in the country.
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Bob, this is the third time I’ve seen you mention the wealth of the Joliet diocese. The last two have been in reference to allowing the TLM. Dust off your Latin, do you know what non sequitur means?

As a resident (but not parishioner, my parish is in the ArchD) of the Joliet Diocese, I think I resent that. At least, what are you getting at?

John

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