Tis ok, we all make mistakes (me as well), no harm done.
The judgement I am referring to is implicit in your post. By that I mean that it suggests that they are failing morally when they hold the beliefs (or lack thereof) they do. Out- moraling and trumping deities is an imagery that implies a lack of modesty and emotional maturity. That would be true of a Christian going through a rough patch in his faith and who can’t get over himself, but not for someone who directly rejects God’s existence.
I think maybe I should have used the term out “moralizing” God. Not in what they are doing, but even in their “ideals.” I think that would be one of the areas an atheist and I would argue about; their morals. I believe completely that an atheist can be a moral individual and can even be a “good person” when looked at through the lens of humanism, but when we change the lens to utter flawless perfection, where any sin “leavens the whole lump,” then the view changes. Meaning, every human is failing morally, which is why we need God.
How can the atheists you mention really know that even if they did believe in God they would still want to go to hell? They are speaking as non-believers. Do you think they would still say the same thing on the day of their judgment? I don’t think they would, and that is why I don’t believe anyone can really will to go to hell, despite their words.
I agree. On the day they meet God face-to-face part of their pain will be in knowing they were wrong. But in my understanding of scripture the knowledge of God is here and now, available for us to see and accept. Every human will stand without excuse and if judged, will be judged in a way that is entirely fair. In other words, I do think it is their will because there has been a rejection of God out of their knowledge.
I think that is what the original poster was saying. In any case, those atheists and agnostics are not rejecting God, but what they think God is. I know God is not a tyrant, and so I join them in their rejection of a tyrannical concept God, just like any other Christian.
The sad thing is though, is that they refuse to entertain the idea that the Christian God is love, and is benevolent, though also Just.
I’m sorry if I interpreted some of your post as being directed towards me. Really, it is that I thought disagreeing with theological issues and not desiring heaven are not the same thing, and even if the post wasn’t directed at me, my answer still applied to their situation. I should have phrased it differently.
Again, no worries.
I worry for people too who say they thing Heaven would be boring, or that there is “nothing to do.” It shows, as far as Heaven and Hell, they have no idea how it will truly be. Part of our job as Christians is to help them come to an understanding of Truth.
If by ‘my position on God’s love’ you mean whether I believe what those atheists who reject Him do, then no. I am a Christian who was a catholic until very recently, but who is now asking some questions. I firmly believe God loves us and is the source of all that is good. Including discipline and difficult truths.
I was just saying in general that I didn’t mean to attack you personally as I don’t know you yet. I was instead just trying to give general insight into many of the atheists I’ve come to know and talk to. Sorry on my part if it appeared directed at you. Glad to hear you are Christian as well!
Grace and Peace