Christian cross has no place on L.A. County seal, judge rules


"In a long-awaited ruling, a federal judge has sided with plaintiffs who argued it was unconstitutional for Los Angeles County supervisors to place a Christian cross on the county seal.

A divided Board of Supervisors voted in 2014 to reinstate the cross on top of a depiction of the San Gabriel Mission, which appears on the seal among other symbols of county history. They were sued by the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California and a group of religious leaders and scholars, who said placement of the cross on the seal unconstitutionally favored Christianity over other religions.

A decade earlier, the county had removed a cross from the seal — this one shown floating above the Hollywood Bowl — after being threatened with a similar lawsuit. The proponents of reinstating the cross on the seal argued it was needed to make the image of the mission historically and architecturally accurate. When the seal was redesigned in 2004, there was no cross on top of the mission, as it had gone missing during earthquake retrofitting. The cross was later restored atop the building.

In a 55-page ruling released Thursday, U.S. District Judge Christina A. Snyder wrote that the addition of the cross ”carries with it an aura of prestige, authority, and approval. By singling out the cross for addition to the seal, the county necessarily lends its prestige and approval to a depiction of one faith’s sectarian imagery."

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Los Angeles County is already quite liberal. They could have at least kept the cross on the seal as a sign of respect to Christians living there.


“A victory for the first amendment”!!! A victory for censorship, more likely!



Will this court ruling require other civic shields bearing crosses to be censored?



Perhaps they could pick a new name while they are at it.


Just as well - it’s best that we not appear to endorse LA anyway! :smiley:


What about the Jewish people living there? The Muslims? The Hindus? The people of other religions who work and pay taxes and deserve to be represented?

This country might be better off if it were a theocracy, but it’s not. It was founded on separation of church - any church - and state. The ruling was correct.


the Catholic missions are part of California history. the cross is part of the mission. maybe they need to remove the mission from the seal if this how they think or redesign the seal. it is beyond ridiculous now.


It is time to realise that your religion is under attack from your government authorities. Given that there is no concerted fight back from any of the churches it is inevitable that religious belief will be forced back to the home of those idiosyncratic individuals who continue to believe that materialistic individualism is not the life blood of a community.
It is a sorry sight to see the people of a once great country fighting each other over who can enter safe spaces for the overly precious youth outraged when anyone disagrees with them. Or to witness a rational society having raging disputes over who can use the toilet.To see this prepubescent tragedy enter the legal and legislative framework of a nation ensures that America stands as a laughing stock of the world. Grow up; get a grip on reality and regain your great heritage.


Will they change their name, too?





Members of other religions (including atheism) live and work in LA, but those religions did not create it. The Spanish priests did. That’s history.

What’s next, renaming “The City (or County) of the Angels” to something bland and neutral so that nobody gets their feelings hurt or feels excluded?!

Has our country become a sixth-grade classroom!!!



It would be fitting to add a ‘t’ make it the City of Lost Angeles. Of course, to be completely accurate, the ruling is about the county seal, not the cities…and it still looks like a mission.


One step at a time. It’s easier to change the name if the symbolism from where the name came from is removed first.


Will cities now have to airbrush crosses out any pictures on their website? For instance would Washington DC have to airbrush out the cross atop the national Cathedral if they put a picture of it on their website? Or is it illegal for show a place of worship on anything the city owns?


:rolleyes: Actually, California was developed and grew under the guidance and elbow grease of the Catholic Church. I had to study the history of the California missions in 4th grade as part of the social studies curriculum. So are students there pretending the funny bald guys in dresses were just building community recreation centers back in the 1600’s?


I guess the next step will be to tell all the California missions to remove all Christian signage and symbolism from the exterior of their buildings, lest anyone be offended. Or maybe they just forbid public school students from going on field trips there now days. :frowning:


Wow, you hit the nail on the head! If they can’t handle a little cross on something that very few people ever see, they will go ballistic when they realize that — duh – the very name of the county (and city) is based on Christianity.


And how many cities are named for saints… San fransico, san beradino, etc.

Surprised the ACLU has not sued the city of Corpus Christi, TX, to change its name…


The current name of Los Angeles is already truncated to the point of losing its original meaning. The original name is exceedingly Catholic: “El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles del Río de Porciúncula”
(The Town of Our Lady the Queen of the Angels of the Porciúncula River)
The Porciúncula River (now the Los Angeles River, if you stretch this out it gets recursive!) happens to be named after a chapel in Assisi where St Francis founded the Order of Friars Minor.


But how is this so different from getting rid of the Confederate flag in Southern states?. Both the cross and the stars and bars are part of history. Some group now finds them offensive and away they go. Many Christians applauded the removal of the Confederate flag. Is getting rid of the cross wrong just because it is something we Christians hold dear? Personally, I think the cross should stay because it shows our history, but I was also happy to see the Confederate flag go because it offended so many. Can’t have it both ways I suppose.

As to our new name, the people who brought this lawsuit might like the City of Los Atheist.

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