Christian hoteliers charged with insulting Muslim guest

telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/6209687/Christian-hoteliers-charged-with-insulting-Muslim-guest.html
*A Christian couple who run a hotel have been charged with a criminal offence for allegedly insulting a female Muslim guest about her beliefs.
Ben and Sharon Vogelenzang are charged with breaching Section 5 of the Public Order Act – causing harassment, alarm or distress. If convicted, they face fines of £2,500 each and a criminal record.
The Muslim woman was staying at the Bounty House Hotel in Liverpool, which is run by the Vogelenzangs, when a conversation arose between the hoteliers and their guest about her faith.
It is understood that among the topics debated was whether Jesus was a minor prophet, as Islam teaches, or whether he was the Son of God, as Christianity teaches.
Among the things Mr Vogelenzang, 53, is alleged to have said is that Mohammad was a warlord. His wife, 54, is said to have stated that Muslim dress is a form of bondage for women. *

Better not say what I think as I am in England and could be arrested!

Thank you Lord for being born in the USA, Thank you Holy Spirit for inspiring the founding fathers with the first amendment.

Yep. Muslims can say anything they want with impunity, but if a Christian says anything remotely against Mohammad and Islam they are persecuted. Time to tell the legislators, police, and courts what to do with their unjust laws.

WE WILL NOT BE DHIMMIS OF THE MUSLIMS!!!
*** OR SLAVES OFF THE SOCIALISTS!!!***
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When you see stories like this, you have to wonder what’s going on across the pond…

**It’s coming here to the US sooner than you would like!
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“His wife, 54, is said to have stated that Muslim dress is a form of bondage for women.”

Where are all of the enlighten feminists and compassionate free thinkers? Their silence on the abuse of women by these evil men is unconscionable.

**we reap what we sow!!!
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Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark

So much for freedom in Britain.

Well, it is kind of startling that in the UK one can’t argue about religion without danger of being fined. (A lot of money could be collected off of posters in the Apologetics Forum and the Non-Catholic Religions Forum.)

But then, Canada has the Human Rights Commission, which also penalizes free speech, and hate crime laws in the U.S. can attach increased penalties if a criminal speaks ill of a victim before mugging him.

So we shouldn’t be getting too complacent. It could happen here. Whenever speech is restricted, freedom suffers another blow.

Apparently the lady who complained is a recent Muslim convert (who was brought up as a “staunch Catholic”)
*They all but called me a terrorist … Muslim woman hits back over race row with hotel couple
The Muslim woman whose complaint about two Christian hoteliers led police to charge them with a religiously aggravated offence is a British-born convert who turned to Islam a year ago.
Ericka Tazi, 60, told police she was offended by alleged remarks made about her faith by Ben and Sharon Vogelenzang during a heated exchange at the breakfast table when she was staying at their hotel.
Mrs Tazi said when she first went to the Bounty House Hotel she decided not to wear the hijab because she did not want to stand out. But during her treatment for the debilitating illness fibromyalgia she decided to follow her beliefs.
She said: ‘It was the last morning, and I decided to wear what I was comfortable in. I went downstairs and was utterly shocked by the reaction of the hotel owners. They became nasty and all but called me a terrorist.’ *

Read more: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216357/They-called-terrorist–Muslim-woman-hits-race-row-hotel-couple.html#ixzz0SRFM9VQ7

There’s an alternative account here:
archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2009/09/christians-face-trial-for-criticising.html

*Mr and Mrs Vogelenzang say that when the Muslim woman in question realised they were Christians, she kept trying to provoke them and start arguments about religion. They were wary of her and kept trying to change the subject but were always measured in tone and reasonable in the defence of their faith. They deny that they were threatening, abusive or insulting. Then, on her final day in the hotel, the Muslim woman emerged from her room in a burkha and started ranting at them about their Christian beliefs in an abusive and insulting fashion. *

Perhaps the time to get excited at the end of the trial, should they be found guilty?

Not here, obviously, but in the real world.

This is a huge waste of police resources, religious arguments happen all the time, but yet someone actually got arrested for it, My girlfriend and I argued yesterday about taking some white goods to the dump, does that mean she will arrest her as she called me a lazy sod,
I hope the charges get acquitted and whoever made the initial complaint get fined for wasting police time,

Yes, it is a waste of police and court resources. Unless somebody threatened somebody else with bodily harm, no one should have been arrested.

But then, according to the article, in the UK one can be arrested “under Section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986 and Section 31 (1) © and (5) of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998, for using ‘threatening, abusive or insulting words’ that were ‘religiously aggravated’.”

Consequently, “they face prosecution for defending the Christian faith and for criticising Islam,.” facing a fine of and a criminal record.

In the meantime their business is going downhill due to this economic persecution.

Religiously aggravated, indeed. I would call it a travesty.

Several comments. First, it’s probably not a good idea for business owners to insult their customers. It’s just not good business sense. Having said that, Muslims need to realize that free speech is essential to freedom and democracy. And it’s not exactly like the countries that are predominantly Muslim have distinguished themselves as being tolerant of non-Islamic religions. They want people to be tolerant of them, but they do not seem to reciprocate.

But they will not , because they are right and we are wrong.:rolleyes:

This is why I am glad that the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution includes freedom of speech.

It is not inoffensive speech that needs protection, but offensive speech!

In this case, though, the speech might have been considered merely religious argumentation rather than offensive speech. But even if it was offensive, so what? I’ve been insulted before and will be again. Freedom of speech is more important than not giving offense.

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