Christian Mysticism


#1

Christ taught us that God is love, and we saw a sample of it in his compassion and suffering for the mediocre sinners in this world. Through Christ a new concept of God emerged because prior to him most people feared God. This teaching of love is more demanding and more important than his other lessons because it is the main belief of all Christians. I believe that Christian Mysticism is an inner path to understand that meaning of love. Love maintains our sense of unity with a presence and power that is greater than what we think we are. Mysticism is an experience of that unity and love that can’t be placed with words so people try to describe the experience or how to obtain it. This might be new to some people and it might be dismissed as New Age similar to what I am sure Jesus experienced with his teachings. I think the experience says it all.


#2

Why the duplicate thread for this same topic you started in this thread?

And yes, the site is New Age. Here’s how to identify New Age teachings. The site you keep promoting contains examples of nearly all of these:

Typical New Age beliefs:
(From Unmasking the New Age by Douglas R. Groothuis)

  1. All is one - or monism, that ultimately there is no difference between God, a person, a carrot, or a rock.

  2. All is God - or pantheism. No distinction made between the Creator and the created. The Christian belief is that God the creator stands transcendently distinct from His Creation. God is present in His creation, but He is not to be confused with the created.

  3. Humanity is God - New Agers believe human beings are god in disguise, and that only ignorance keeps us from realizing our divine reality. Christianity affirms that though human beings are made in the image of God, they are not in essence God. If we are in a state of grace, we have the Indwelling Trinity, but we ourselves are not God.

  4. A Change in Consciousness: New Agers believe that we have forgotten we are God. So to reverse this metaphysical amnesia, we can engage in techniques to alter ordinary consciousness. These techniques are meant to open the doors of perception so that we can be aware of our “oneness” and our “spiritual power.” In order to achieve this “change in consciousness,” non-Christian meditation techniques that draw one into oneself instead of toward God are employed. See this document from the Congregation of the Doctrine of the faith on Some Aspects of Christian Meditation.

  5. All religions are one: New Agers believe that the externals of religion may differ, but the essence is the same. They believe there may be many paths to the one truth, many methods to become one with the One, but all differences are superficial and external.

  6. Cosmic Consciousness or “Christ Consciousness” - as consciousness changes, so will the future. New Agers believe that the “messiah is within,” and that Christ consciousness or cosmic consciousness is awakening in Christians and non-Christians alike. They think the “messiah within” will lead all of us forward into a glorious future.


#3

Why not quote from the site and then give your reasons instead of just stating your beliefs for New Age? God is infinite so there is only one God. There is nothing outside of God so God is everything. Catholics say that God is one in nature, substance and essence. Do you agree or not? We can talk about this if you state or quote what you are upset with instead of giving your New Age Commandments.

“These are the words with which the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed begins. The confession of God’s oneness, which has its roots in the divine revelation of the Old Covenant, is inseparable from the profession of God’s existence and is equally fundamental. God is unique; there is only one God.”

“Catholics firmly believe and confess without reservation that there is only one true God, eternal infinite (immensus) and unchangeable, incomprehensible, almighty and ineffable, the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit; three persons indeed, but one essence, substance or nature entirely simple.”

“It means knowing the unity and true dignity of all men: everyone is made in the image and likeness of God.”

Catholics believe that God created the visible and invisible elements of the cosmos. Thus, God created everything. vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p1.htm


#4

Becky’s question is entirely valid.
Why are you double-posting?

You seem unwilling to answer her.

:confused:


#5

Sorry, Maybe more discussion and debate.


#6

God and creation are distinct. God transcends creation.


#7

Nick9, excellent point.

The notion that God and creation are one (“There is nothing outside of God so God is everything”) reflects pantheistic and Hindu teachings. Both teachings are in error and totally contradict Christian teaching.


#8

Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
–Psalm 90:2,4

**Before creation everything was God so creation is in God and from God. **

All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
John 1:3

The Bible is not Hindu.

For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
Colossians 1:16

Nor will they say, "See here!’ or "See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you."
Luke 17:21

Now when all things are made subject to Him,
then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
1 Corinthians 15:28


#9

Before creation everything was God so creation is in God and from God.

There is a difference in saying that God created all things or that all things are from God and saying that everything is God. God and creation are distinct and they can not be confused. To say that everything is God is the heresy of pantheism. This can be seen in the Trinitarian debates where the distinction was made between ‘created’ and begottenness’. The Son of God, Jesus Christ, was begotten from the Father but He was not created. He is eternal. The world and all things that are not God though were created from nothing. You can see this in the controvercy with Arius. Arius wanted to say that the Son was made/begotten from nothing but this was rejected by the Church at Nicea where it specifically said that the Son is ‘begotten not made’. Yes, the whole creation is from God in the sense that God created all things but they are not an emanation from God.


#10

Before creation everything was God. So you are saying this is wrong because there was nothing. God created everything out of nothing.


#11

Before creation the only thing that, or more correctly, the only One who existed was God. God created the universe out of nothing. He didn’t need material to create more material. See the Catechism:

**God creates “out of nothing” **

296 We believe that God needs no pre-existent thing or any help in order to create, nor is creation any sort of necessary emanation from the divine substance. God creates freely “out of nothing”:

If God had drawn the world from pre-existent matter, what would be so extraordinary in that? A human artisan makes from a given material whatever he wants, while God shows his power by starting from nothing to make all he wants.

297 Scripture bears witness to faith in creation “out of nothing” as a truth full of promise and hope. Thus the mother of seven sons encourages them for martyrdom:

I do not know how you came into being in my womb. It was not I who gave you life and breath, nor I who set in order the elements within each of you. Therefore the Creator of the world, who shaped the beginning of man and devised the origin of all things, will in his mercy give life and breath back to you again, since you now forget yourselves for the sake of his laws. . . Look at the heaven and the earth and see everything that is in them, and recognize that God did not make them out of things that existed. Thus also mankind comes into being.

**298 **Since God could create everything out of nothing, he can also, through the Holy Spirit, give spiritual life to sinners by creating a pure heart in them, and bodily life to the dead through the Resurrection. God “gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist.” And since God was able to make light shine in darkness by his Word, he can also give the light of faith to those who do not yet know him.


#12

From the vatican

vatican.va/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p4.htm

290 “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth”:128 three things are affirmed in these first words of Scripture: the eternal God gave a beginning to all that exists outside of himself; he alone is Creator (the verb “create” - Hebrew bara - always has God for its subject). The totality of what exists (expressed by the formula “the heavens and the earth”) depends on the One who gives it being.

291 "In the beginning was the Word. . . and the Word was God. . . all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made."129 The New Testament reveals that God created everything by the eternal Word, his beloved Son. In him "all things were created, in heaven and on earth… . all things were created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together."130 The Church’s faith likewise confesses the creative action of the Holy Spirit, the “giver of life”, “the Creator Spirit” (Veni, Creator Spiritus), the “source of every good”.131

God created from no thing.

It does not mean before creation there was nothing.


#13

Before creation there was God, but there was nothing of the material world before God created it. Or are you saying that there was something material before God created it? If so, who created that “stuff”?


#14

It means** no thing **before creation. This was already stated.


#15

Before creation, God IS.


#16

Creation was never God. It was created out of nothing. That is the very meaning of created.

Yes, it does mean that before creation there was nothing. You can read St. Thomas if you want and you will see your answer. Before creation there was God and nothing other than Himself. The matter which makes up our body and our spirit was formed from nothing. It was not and then it was. If there was something material other than God then He is not absolute and consequently He is no god.

This idea of yours sounds like platonism which basically said that the soul is eternal and it fell and was forced to take a body in order to return to God.


#17

Catechism of the Catholic Church a Profession of faith from the Vatican says, ""129 The New Testament reveals that God created everything by the eternal Word, his beloved Son. In him “all things were created, in heaven and on earth… . all things were created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.”

It doesn’t say there is nothing in God.


#18

But God is pure spirit. All things of the material world were created by God, and no material things existed before creation.


#19

The catechism also speaks of everything being created from nothing. If the catechism were to support what you say it would be heretical because it would contradict the council of Nicea. The fact is that the Catholic Church teaches that creation had a begining and its material was formed from nothing.

Of course the catechism says that all things were created through the Son. But it doesn’t say that all things are begotten from the Son. Saying that all things were created through the Son shows the essential unity between Father and Son. But it does not say that all things are a part of God or that God is everything.


#20

I feel it says God created from no thing. There was no creation or thing before god created.

“all things were created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.”

I don’t think this says there is nothing in Him.


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