I’ll just start by saying praise God for the “Dark Ages”!
I’ll add, after saying that, that it seems completely pointless to debate with the person you’re presently debating with. Others might be interesting to debate with, but this person is spewing mockery, open insults and lies, and it’s clear that he’s way too involved in attacking the religion to actually give any of its claims the slightest credence, no matter what history textbooks you bring to bear, and no matter what experts you cite.
I like to debate with reasoning people who are willing to consider other viewpoints and argue intelligently rather than just throw a slew of insults. When faced with ridiculing people of that sort, while on trial, Jesus was silent. He talked with Pilate, the one person of all his accusers who actually had a mind that was willing to consider seriously Jesus’ words. “He who has ears, let him hear,” as Jesus said, and “throw not your pearls before swine.” You can do what you like. I’ve wasted many, many valuable hours arguing with sarcastic and mocking people who aren’t interested at all in thinking about Christianity’s claims. It was an exercise in futility, no matter how good the arguments I raised were. Usually, when pushed into corners, they resort to fallacies rather than admitting, “that’s a good point.”
Anyway, about the specific points brought up:
The reason Europe was almost conquered by Islam is because of Christianity.
Christianity saved Europe from Islam, not the other way around! If one looks back at one’s maps and history textbooks, one can see that historically, Islam swept throughout much of the world. It conquered India and much of Africa, swept through the Middle East and defeated the Sassanid and Byzantine Empires simultaneously! It was an unstoppable menace of the ancient world, and the only force of that time period that was able to effectively repel them was Christian Europe. Christian Europe, under the leadership of men such as Charles Martel, Charlemagne and (later) Ferdinand and Isabella, stopped Islam’s advance and threw it back on its heels. We have much to be proud for, over this. Christ displayed his power in a truly marvelous way by defending Europe so dramatically, when all other nations and empires around it crumbled under the forces of Islamic jihad.
This argument he made is so completely alien to history that I doubt any serious historian would make it. I certainly have never read one make this claim- they tend to praise Charles Martel and the others that defeated this menace for Christendom. He’s probably either quoting some highly biased sources or making up the facts himself, because that’s what he wants to believe.
This semitic religion set back Europeans into a dark age never seen by the people who built Rome, Greece, etc. Knowledge, art, science, advancement, were all stopped in their tracks because everyone had to dedicate their lives to some jew nailed to a plank of wood.
My gosh. If he knew his history, he’d know that barbarian invasions brought Rome to its knees, not Christianity, and the Catholic Church was the only surviving center of culture and knowledge in that time period. A very beautiful one too, I might add :). It preserved knowledge and was the cutting edge of science, education and art in its time. The great painters, Michelangelo and Leonardo da Vinci in the Renaissance created some of history’s most fabulous pieces of art for Christians, in a Christian world. In fact, much of “modern art,” is in a state of intense debate, as many people don’t even think it was art. And the classical music of the past was elegant and lovely, in a more Christian time, whereas our new era, which is further from Christianity, has produced Rock and Roll and throws paint at walls (or a spot in the middle of a blank sheet) and calls it art.
Has this person ever seen the Hagia Sophia? Or any of the monuments, frescos or marble of the Christian Byzantine Empire? Or of the West’s achievements, what does he think of the cathedrals? :eek: :eek: :eek: It is useless to argue with such a person as this. I really recommend you find someone else to argue with.