[quote=Reformed Rob]Anyways, what’s this about Augustine?? I know whatever “Limited Atonement” view he may or may not have held, then it would by no means fit a modern Calvinist system. I’m not falling for that, even if, like, Scott Hahn told me. Like he would ever say that, and to me, but you know!! I’d be like, “yeah, and sit down on this whoopee cushion.”
Saint Augustine has a myriad of theological errors and unfortunaly this is one of them and the least attractive of them. He taught that mankind is a massa damnata and damnabilis. Calvin’s teachings on this point, limited atonement, divine election in an almost capricious way, pretty much line up with Augustine’s.
Here is an extract from
ST. AUGUSTINE ON GRACE AND PREDESTINATION
by Fr. William Most
"…The Eastern Fathers, absolutely all of them, and Westerners before Augustine, and even after him, saw that there is no reprobation, not even negative, except in consideration of demerits. Augustine did not see that, and the unfortunate massa damnata theory, which said the whole human race by original sin became a massa damnata et damnabilis: God could throw the whole damned race into hell for original sin alone, without waiting for any personal sin.
"God wanted to display mercy and justice. To display mercy, He chose a small percent to rescue; the rest He deserted and so they would go to hell.
"He thought God picked those to rescue blindly, without any consideration of how they lived. He picked them not that He had any love for them, but merely to make a point. Augustine did not see it, but that was a denial of God’s love. For to love is to will good to another for the other’s sake. If I will good to another not for that other’s sake, but for some outside purpose of mine, I am not loving that person, but using him.
"So in that theory, God does not really love anyone, He merely uses the few for His own purposes, not for their sake. Hence, as we shall son see, he explicitly denied several times that "God wills all to be saved: (1 Tim 2:4) . He even said, as we shall soon see below, that it means nothing to God that most persons are damned, without a chance.
“Of course Augustine did not see this fact, or he would surely have stayed away from his theory. Actually, as we shall see later on, in about six places he implies the opposite of that theory, when his sense of God’s goodness took over his thinking…”
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