Church "hates" the human body and rhythm

Hi CAF,

Last night, I was in jazz band (college class), and my instructor was making the point that we all needed to feel the rhythm and sub-division of the song as it was very syncopated. He then went on to say that we were culturally at a disadvantage because the Catholic Church viewed the human body as evil and rejected anything such as tapping your toes to jazz. Supposedly, jazz was viewed as “devil’s music”, and the Church did all she could to eradicate any music with a driving rhythm. He said, “We are not aiming for this Gregorian Chant, no rhythm, stuff. Basically, it was a sin to play more interesting rhythmic music. I want you to sin!”

I didn’t say anything because I was unsure how to defend the Church/what he was even talking about. Do you have any suggestions? I know the Catholic Church has always taught that the human body is good as it is created by God and we are in His image.

Thank you! God bless you!

The rhythmic beat HE is referring to that
the Church is against is the Jungle Beat
that causes the heart to hasten in it’s
cadence and rightly so, b/c it causes you
to love the MUSIC no matter what the
lyrics are like, it causes WORSHIP of
music, which is a sin against the First
commandment!(I have a brother who
was in a rock band and he once admitted
to me that “my god is music”).

Quick research shows that the Churches opposition to Jazz music was primarily in Ireland post Great Depression. There was a lot of Irish Nationalism at the time.

You’re professor is discriminating against you. If he said “You’re culturally disadvantaged at music because you’re black,jewish, gay, muslim.” It’s discriminatory. They’re comments were discriminatory, and quite frankly, stupid.

You have three choices, talk to your professor, bring up your concerns. Report your professor to campus authorities, or do nothing.

Huh?

No that would be what the Catholic Church CONDEMNED in various heresies. The Body is good.

One can have various ideas or thoughts about this music or that music…but that has nothing to do with the Church saying the body is evil - for the Church does not - rather the Church condemns such an idea as heresy.

The Church does not have a teaching or discipline that “jazz is bad” either. Each work of music must be judged accordingly. Can there be sinful music? Sure. But “toe taping” has nothing to do with such.

Catechism:

364 The human body shares in the dignity of “the image of God”: it is a human body precisely because it is animated by a spiritual soul, and it is the whole human person that is intended to become, in the body of Christ, a temple of the Spirit:

Man, though made of body and soul, is a unity. Through his very bodily condition he sums up in himself the elements of the material world. Through him they are thus brought to their highest perfection and can raise their voice in praise freely given to the Creator. For this reason man may not despise his bodily life. Rather he is obliged to regard his body as good and to hold it in honor since God has created it and will raise it up on the last day. 

scborromeo.org/ccc/para/364.htm

The poor fellow has no idea what he is talking about.
But, never argue with an idiot, it’s very unlikely that you will change his mind with reasoned discourse.
You might tell him that you don’t appreciate his blatant anti-Christian bias, but in my experience, little good comes up trying to educate the entrenched.

:thumbsup:

I’d bet a hfty sum that the Church loves and respects the human body far more than your instructor.

How do professors get to be professors these days? Clearly not by knowing things.

:stuck_out_tongue: Oh, I can recall a few. I had an English professor state off-handedly in class that Catholics believe we are born with Original Sin because of the lechery of the sexual act. Apparently, sex is so inherently sinful for Catholics that it gets passed on to children as a result. :rolleyes: Just goes to show how people can be very smart in some ways and very not in other ways.

Perhaps the time has already passed to bring it up in class, but you might just point out to your professor that you are Catholic and you know that is not true.

I honestly have no idea how people came to think that Catholic don’t like sex, Catholic families tend to have more children. I guess when you separate sex from procreation it’s possible to forget that, in order to procreate, you generally have to have sex…

Nothing was sadder then when I heard an African priest talk about how “vulgar” dance was in religious services when he probably came from generations upon generations of people who worshipped through dance and music.

yay colonialism!

Could I just thank you all personally?

I have a slight headache and just thought I’d check in.

I think my headache went away!!

What great replies. I could have had a positive comment for each and every post.

From a conservative and knowledgeable christian who loves music and can’t help but move to the beat.

God bless you

I’m not sure what you mean by this. Can you clarify a bit?

I think he might be referencing immoral styles of dance, but I’m not sure.

Overly-sexualized, or sexually-explicit dancing is not condoned because it’s a sin against chastity.

If that’s not what he means, I’m kind of at a loss.

Probably has something to do with secular people thinking all churches support censorship, or the covering up of the body, example would be a parent trying to shield their 12 yr old sons eyes from seeing ANY kind of nudity (Im NOT talking about porn, just regular nudity, there is a big difference).They do not teach them to admire and appreciate this beautiful creation, instead they impress on them that its dirty, should not be looked at, I honestly bet if the statue of David went on tour, some churches would seek to have certain parts covered up.

Many people think the body is somehow dirty or nasty, and should be covered up…that is the enemy imo, fooling people into calling one of Gods creations nasty.

I had to smile at your comment - I enjoyed their responses too. Also, I’ve been listening to jazz since I was born, so I can’t help tapping to the beat too! :stuck_out_tongue:

Thank you all for your support! I knew what he was saying was ludicrous. I’ll keep him in my prayers.

Interesting point. It touches on a lot of tricky topics such as modest. Why cover up the human body if it is bad? People try to turn arguments on you so, like you said, they make God’s creation nasty. :blush::blush::blush::mad::confused:

The OP was talking how the teacher was against the
Church’s approval of the Gregorian chant rather than
music w/ a tempo, I guess my post was in defense of
that.

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