Church Of Christ


#1

The Catholic Thought about Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church Of Christ)

"Is Christ God?

The Catholic teaching that most draws Iglesia’s fire is Christ’s divinity. Like the Jehovah’s Witnesses, Iglesia claims that Jesus Christ is not God but a created being.

Yet the Bible is clear: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1). We know Jesus is the Word because John 1:14 tells us, “The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.” God the Father was not made flesh; it was Jesus, as even Iglesia admits. Jesus is the Word, the Word is God, therefore Jesus is God. Simple, yet Iglesia won’t accept it. "

… I think that was just wrong.

John 1:1 (diaglott-Word for word englist translation of the original greek) " In the beginning was the word, and the word was with the God and **A God was the word ** "


#2

Hi COC :wave:

Welcome to the forums. I’m confused… if you think it’s wrong, why do you stay in that religion?


#3

Lol…

Im just a 13 year old person who doesn’t want his Church discriminated.


#4

Im not catholic…
Im in the Church Of Christ.
and Jesus is really the son of God.


#5

[quote=C.O.C]Lol…

Im just a 13 year old person who doesn’t want his Church discriminated.
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Bear with me, I’m still :confused:

How would your Church be discriminated? And by whom? Us?
You provided the scripture from the Bible (John 1:1) which clearly shows that Jesus was God… and then you said that your church didn’t believe that… (I didn’t know that about the Church of Christ… I thought they did believe Jesus was God?) But anyhow, does it bother you that this belief of your Church’s doesn’t line up with the Bible?


#6

Im saying that jesus is not God, im in the Church of Christ and I have been to many sites saying that they are " analysing " us but are actually just disciminating us.


#7

[quote=C.O.C]Im saying that jesus is not God, im in the Church of Christ and I have been to many sites saying that they are " analysing " us but are actually just disciminating us.
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So you don’t believe Jesus is God… or you do?


#8

[quote=carol marie]So you don’t believe Jesus is God… or you do?
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Yes, I don’t believe that Jesus is God.


#9

[quote=C.O.C]Yes, I don’t believe that Jesus is God.
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Yet John 1:1 clearly states that Jesus is God. The translation you use is faulty.

God Bless,
Maria


#10

Further, more Scripture:

In John 8:58, when quizzed about how he has special knowledge of Abraham, Jesus replies, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am”—invoking and applying to himself the personal name of God—“I Am” (Ex. 3:14). His audience understood exactly what he was claiming about himself. “So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple” (John 8:59).

In John 20:28, Thomas falls at Jesus’ feet, exclaiming, “My Lord and my God!” (Greek: Ho Kurios mou kai ho Theos mou—literally, “The Lord of me and the God of me!”)

Those are from CA library
The Divinity of Christ

God Bless,
Maria


#11

Further Scripture showing the Christ was worshipped and did not rebuke those who worshipped Him. Since worship belongs to God alone, either Jesus has to be God, or He is a false prophet.

Jesus Christ is Worshiped

Here are just a few. There are many more.

Matt. 28:17 - Jesus’ disciples saw Him and then worshiped Him.

Mark 5:6 - the man with the unclean spirit ran to Jesus and worshiped Him.

Luke 1:11 - Mary accepts Elizabeth’s declaration “the Mother of my Lord” = the Mother of my God (Elizabeth used the word “Adonai” which means “Lord God”). Luke 24:52 - as Jesus ascended into heaven, the apostles worshiped Him.

For many more examples, go to Scripture Catholic,
JESUS CHRIST’S DIVINITY -
SOME OF MANY EXAMPLES

God Bless,
Maria


#12

[quote=C.O.C]Im saying that jesus is not God, im in the Church of Christ and I have been to many sites saying that they are " analysing " us but are actually just disciminating us.
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I don’t think anyone here will discriminate against you. Disagree agree with you - YES.

Most of us here are Catholic - we believe in the Holy Trinity… that Jesus was fully man and fully God - as was taught throughout the NT and throughout Church History. The Catholic Church has held this belief for hundreds & hundreds of years. In the history of Chirstianity, the Church of Christ is practically brand new. You are entitled to your beliefs, but I doubt you’ll find many here that agree with you.

Still, I hope you stay on the forums… :slight_smile:


#13

Tread very, very carefully Coc.

First, you must understand that this "diaglott-Word for word english translation " is but one translation of several for the presice words. In taking a simple literal translation of a phrase and not its context "diaglott"and you erroneously mistranslate and misinterpret the TRUE meaning.

Think about it… by using your particular translation you are interpreting that Jesus was simply A god. right?

So, you mean to tell me you believe there are numerous gods and Jesus is but one of them???

Be very careful for even the Devil quotes scripture (Matthew Ch.4), does that mean his interpretation is the true meaning. No, remember, the son of the living God Christ provided us with a foundation of truth for all…“God’s household, **which is the church of the living ** God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.” 2 Peter 1:20 further warns “For you know this first, that no prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation.”

We need to avoid trying to recreat Christianity. That theological idea that Christ was not God was dealt with by the Church (Jesus founded in 33 AD, see Mt 16-19, Mt 18:17, and John 14:16-18) in the 2nd or 3rd century. Their conclusion was that Jesus truly was God as Jesus proclaimed in John 8:58(-59):

““I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I AM!” 59At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.”

Whether you say Jesus proclaimed he " I AM" or “I have been”(by another group dening Jesus’ divinity) the context most certainly tell you he was proclaiming himself as God. For why would the crowd of Jews immedialty pick up stones and Jesus immediatly run and hide right after he makes this statement… Plain and simple- first we can be sure Jesus proclaimed himself I AM (the name of God -Ex 3:14) because otherwise the entire pasage makes no sense. Why would the Jews pick up stones if he simply said “I have been” for there is nothing particular wrong with that alone, much less attempt to stone a man to death. The lone conclusion is that he stated he was God “I AM” thus the crowd picking up stones and Jesus knowingly ran away for he new that if they did not believe they would conclude Jesus was a blasphemer and must comply with the Law, written in Lev 24:14:
"“Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him.”

So accept the proper translation for John 1:1 : "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Jesus is the Mesiah and he is Mighty God.


#14

Hello everyone, I just joined the group. This is Dr. Lucia Teen from Quezon City, Philippines.

Before I proceed with my introduction, I would like to clarify that I am a male and I am not a doctor. The log in I use is just some sort of anagram of my real name. This log in or nickname also serves some security purpose…to confuse the Iglesia Ni Cristo (INC) if ever they decide to track me down.

I was born and raised in the INC. I have professed my faith in its doctrines when I was indoctrinated and baptized.

I have been a very active officer of the INC…from the local level, to the Ecclesiastical Disctrict, to the INC Metro Manila Coordinating Committee and to the INC Central Office.

I have persecuted Catholics wherever I met them…including the internet.

I was very faithful to God, and he must have been the one who held me up high, outside and beyond the INC. I realized that I have been deceived. The INC created a very unreal image of itself and distorted everything about the Catholic Church.

I gradually stopped attending the INC worship services in the year 2000. In addition, I was very interested in knowing what the Jubilee Year was about and my Catholic friends were very kind to tell me.

In January 2001, I joined EDSA People Power 2 and was disappointed how the INC Administration could not declare a position while it was obvious that they are supporting former President Estrada. When the conflict ended, I attended my very first Catholic Mass…the Thanksgiving Mass at the EDSA Shrine officiated by Cardinal Sin.

In March 2001, after declaring to our resident minister that I have stopped believing the teachings of the INC, I left it. I did not want to join any organized religion afterwards, but I was already praying like a Catholic. I began having a devotion to the blessed mother Mary and the Holy Family.

On June 3, 2001, after reading a missallete from a mass we were unable to attend, I was convinced that the Church that Our Lord Jesus Christ established did not perish or completely apostatized. Christ built his church and the gates of hell did not prevail against it. He also promised that he will be with his church until the end of time.

On September 9, 2001, I received the last of the needed sacraments to complete my conversion. I converted to the Roman Catholic Church.

For me, the most powerful and effective way to bring people like the INCs to enlightenment…is prayer.

Pray and let others see Christ in you.

If you have questions about the INC, I may be able to answer them. Please avoid sending private messages or emails as I may not be able to reply. Answering similar questions over and over again would be very inconvenient.

If you want to know more about me, please check out everything that I have written on the following link

network54.com/Forum/84590/thread/989747884/Why+are+we+INC+members+ill+mannered%85-+April+1+2001+at+7-31+AM

This link is from the forum "The Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church of Christ) Doctrines"
The following are its addresses
ang-iglesia-ni-cristo.com.ph
network54.com/hide/forum/84590

I also have my own discussion group. Please visit
groups.yahoo.com/group/iglesianicristo1914/

There had been initial efforts to gather Catholic Apologists online, please visit the sites above to get acquainted with them. There are priests and other religious who respond to questions on my discussion group.

So far, I have been interacting with at least two group of apologists, the ones at forum/84590 and the Defensoris Fidei.

I have joined this forum to meet others.


#15

[quote=C.O.C]Yes, I don’t believe that Jesus is God.
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I don’t get it. You are totally confusing me. Here is your first post

Yet the Bible is clear: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1). We know Jesus is the Word because John 1:14 tells us, “The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.” God the Father was not made flesh; it was Jesus, as even Iglesia admits. Jesus is the Word, the Word is God, therefore Jesus is God. Simple, yet Iglesia won’t accept it. "

But yet you say that Jesus is not God? I think you just contradicted yourself.


#16

[quote=C.O.C]Yes, I don’t believe that Jesus is God.
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The whats the point of belonging to a church with the name “Church of Christ”? Why not church of God? So you are worshiping a man?


#17

[quote=MariaG]Yet John 1:1 clearly states that Jesus is God. The translation you use is faulty.

God Bless,
Maria
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The C of C is just another cult ,I do know they say they are the first church because it s in the Bible and that is because of Rom 16:16,talk about faulty traslations


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