Church of England women bishops: archbishops will overrule synod


#1

From the Guardian:

The archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby is preparing to drive through legislation to allow women bishops even if it is rejected by the church’s governing body, the General Synod.

The synod is poised to vote again on the vexed plan next week but senior sources have told the Guardian that should the move be blocked again, there are now options being considered to force the change on the church.

Options under consideration include an immediate dissolution of the synod so that fresh elections could produce a sufficient majority by November, or even a move by the bishops in the House of Lords to introduce the legislation without synodical approval.

The dramatic intervention would be designed to pre-empt any attempts, which are already being threatened by parliament, to remove the church’s exemption from equality legislation.

Pay particular attention to the last paragraph in the extract above: they are considering this action not for any perceived spiritual revelation, but because of receiving pressure from the State.

Contrast this with Acts 5:29 We ought to obey God, rather than men.


#2

Separation of Church and State is a good thing. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.


#3

Well…

You might want to look at the teachings of the Holy Fathers on that subject. This was covered by Gregory XVI in Mirari Vos (On Liberalism and Religious Indifferentism), Pius IX, The Syllabus Of Errors, and, summarized by Leo XIII, Immortale Dei (On the Christian Constitution of States):

  1. Doctrines such as these, which cannot be approved by human reason, and most seriously affect the whole civil order, Our predecessors the Roman Pontiffs (well aware of what their apostolic office required of them) have never allowed to pass uncondemned. Thus, Gregory XVI in his encyclical letter “Mirari Vos,” dated August 15, 1832, inveighed with weighty words against the sophisms which even at his time were being publicly inculcated-namely, that no preference should be shown for any particular form of worship; that it is right for individuals to form their own personal judgments about religion; that each man’s conscience is his sole and allsufficing guide; and that it is lawful for every man to publish his own views, whatever they may be, and even to conspire against the State. On the question of the separation of Church and State the same Pontiff writes as follows: “Nor can We hope for happier results either for religion or for the civil government from the wishes of those who desire that the Church be separated from the State, and the concord between the secular and ecclesiastical authority be dissolved. It is clear that these men, who yearn for a shameless liberty, live in dread of an agreement which has always been fraught with good, and advantageous alike to sacred and civil interests.” To the like effect, also, as occasion presented itself, did Pius IX brand publicly many false opinions which were gaining ground, and afterwards ordered them to be condensed in summary form in order that in this sea of error Catholics might have a light which they might safely follow.

(Now, mind you, since there are currently few if any States that are totally supportive or even neutral toward the Church, the Church now espouses a different position…but, as you can see from the above references, this has not always been the case)


#4

The Anglican church has lost its priesthood and recently its sacrament of confession. If its wants its priestesses let them have them. No skin off our nose. Rather it may well force some to reconsider their loyalties and turn to Rome as they did during the Oxford movement. The establishment of the Ordinariate was to allow such a bolt hole. May the Tiber be full of swimmers.


#5

I pray that England will have many converts


#6

Amen. More Tiber swimmers would be wonderful!~
Mary.


#7

Good job in upholding the truth. Remember however that the ordinary and universal magisterium does not change, but remains semper, ubique, ab omnibus.

It is part of Catholic belief that, in the Kingship of Christ, the Church ought not to be separated from the State. We believe by official teaching of the Magisterium that the Catholic religion should be held as the only religion of the State, even to the exclusion of all other forms of worship. “Between [Church and State] there must necessarily be a suitable union, which may not improperly be compared with that existing between body and soul”.

Better catechesis is much needed to understand the place of Faith in society.


#8

Allowing women to be ordained was a huge mistake to begin with and that is coming from a woman.


#9

I’m so glad I’m Catholic with it’s hierarchical, non-laity, involved, governance.


#10

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