Church of England


#1

Im from greater Manchester, England, and i just thought id let you know what the Anglican church is doing in my area. Thank God Im a Catholic. The item is from Sky News

"[The Church of England is trying to encourage people to return to the fold with goody-bags and chocolate bars.

Churchgoers from 160 churches in the Greater Manchester have been asked to invite a friend to services for the trial scheme.

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To help lend an “open day” feel, Back to Church packs were put together including posters, credit card-style invitations and goody-bags featuring a “missing you” emblem.

Back to School Sunday has been backed by a Christian businessman along with Co-op Supermarkets which has donated 3,500 Fairtrade chocolate bars for distribution to newcomers through goody-bags at the end of services.

The Bishop of Manchester, the Rt Rev Nigel McCulloch, said: "People can lose touch with church for simple reasons - a house move for example - some of the reasons are more complex.

“It’s helpful for us as a church to hear why people left and what might encourage them back to their local church.” The bishop has highlighted the contrast in the decline in churchgoers and 2001 Census results which show more than 70% of people in the UK say they are Christians."

Eeek:banghead: Them Anglicans!


#2

Sorry, that didnt seem to work, let me try again,

The Church of England is trying to encourage people to return to the fold with goody-bags and chocolate bars. Churchgoers from 160 churches in the Greater Manchester have been asked to invite a friend to services for the trial scheme. To help lend an “open day” feel, Back to Church packs were put together including posters, credit card-style invitations and goody-bags featuring a “missing you” emblem. Back to School Sunday has been backed by a Christian businessman along with Co-op Supermarkets which has donated 3,500 Fairtrade chocolate bars for distribution to newcomers through goody-bags at the end of services.


#3

Ill just give the link to the article, crazy thing

sky.com/skynews/article/0,30000-13229462,00.html


#4

They’re getting more and more Bonkers aren’t they?!!

The most interesting thing about the CofE is that they are living proof of what happens to a Church without strong leadership. Thank God we have a Pope!


#5

I sometimes get tempted to gloat or “tsk tsk” the misfortunes of our separated bretheren, but I try to restrain that because it is uncharitable. Also, it is kind of hard to bust their chops over goofiness when my diocese is putting on a jamboree called “Jesuspalooza”. :rolleyes:

Scott


#6

I’m with Scott. While their approach may be a little goofy, at least they’re trying to draw people back to church.

In Christ,

Chris


#7

I used to absolutely adore the Church of England, since I grew up in England. I was an Episcopalian for 10 years here, and adore their musicianship here in the States. (The best church choirs in all the U.S. are the Anglican/Episcopal Church choirs)!!! But when you actually look deeply into WHY the Anglican Church broke off from the Catholic Church, (for reasons of immorality), I could never go back there, although it is most tempting, because I love their worship, their music, their beautiful and welcoming churches.

So glad you found a good Catholic Church in the UK!!!

God Bless~~


#8

The Anglican Communion has it’s work cut out for it, not just the C of E especially but the whole communion. The old jalopy has one tire going flat and smoke belching from the tailpipe. Not that the Catholic Communion doesn’t have problems (does it ever!), but we have hope if we can direct the church back toward Orthodoxy :slight_smile:

I think that this could be the next big issue in the Anglican Communion.


#9

The lay presidency issue is so silly. A priest/presbyter/elder is anyone on whom the Church has laid hands. Since the Reformation both Protestants and Catholics have adopted this new-fangled notion that what makes you “clergy” is having been to seminary. There is absolutely no theological reason why there should ever be a “priest shortage.” Priesthood is primarily a calling of service to the Church. If a local church needs a priest, then the bishop finds the most qualified local person and ordains him (or in many Anglican churches, her). End of problem. Lay presidency is an unorthodox response to an unnecessary problem.

In Christ,

Edwin


#10

I think that this could be the next big issue in the Anglican Communion.

what difference does this make? a) they don’t have valid orders b)they don’t believe in the eucharist as catholics or orthodox do c) they have women priests. allowing lay people to preside during the eucharistic prayer is totally consistent with their theology. their is no substantial distiction between priests and laity with the anglicans.


#11

Adam S, as a person who’s lived in England for all my I can safely say the Church of England is the most corrupt church I have ever seen.


#12

[quote=Led Zeppelin75]Adam S, as a person who’s lived in England for all my I can safely say the Church of England is the most corrupt church I have ever seen.
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I don’t Catholics are in any position whatsoever to throw stones. :mad:


#13

[quote=Hesychios] The old jalopy has one tire going flat and smoke belching from the tailpipe.
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Thanks Hesychios, that brought tears to my eyes with laughing.:rotfl:

As someone told me one time that had a flat tire “it’s only flat at the bottom” :hmmm:

Anyway joking aside, I suppose we have to put our own house in order first.


#14

[quote=Gottle of Geer]## I don’t Catholics are in any position whatsoever to throw stones. :mad: ##
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You should let them know of their own corruption.


#15

[quote=Led Zeppelin75]You should let them know of their own corruption.
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A Church with alcoholic priests and bishops who hush up paedophilia (who then presume to lecture the rest of us on sexual ethics) - such as the one we are in - is not exactly in a position to lecture the Church of England on its deformities, real or supposed.

Mud-slinging may be a Catholic practice, but there is nothing Christian about it. They may be something Hellish about it, but nothing Christian. ##


#16

[quote=Gottle of Geer]## A Church with alcoholic priests and bishops who hush up paedophilia (who then presume to lecture the rest of us on sexual ethics) - such as the one we are in - is not exactly in a position to lecture the Church of England on its deformities, real or supposed.

Mud-slinging may be a Catholic practice, but there is nothing Christian about it. They may be something Hellish about it, but nothing Christian. ##
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In charity, the main difference between the Cof E and the Catholic Church is that the Cof E is man made *(Henry VIII and Thomas Cramner etc, with man made morality e.g. Divorce, Contraception, Condoning of Homosexuality in some parts of it. The Catholic church is God made, its morals cannot change.

The argument of sinners in the Catholic church is flawed as if we were not sinners we would not need a saviour. There will always be good and bad Catholics. Sadly, it appears by their actions, few Catholics these days are choosing Heaven - the narrow path. It is wrong to knock the sinner but not the sin. The belief system of Cof E is plain heresy and anobjective abomination to God, but the CofE members may be acting in good faith through ignorance and are not necessarily subjectively culable.

I live in the UK, my wife is Cof E, they have literally been brainwashed by the manipulation of their History over nearly 500 years. Questions like “But is it true” are not even on their mindset hiorizon. Belive me, with my own wife as an example, “It is a hard nut to crack”, but recently especially they appear on doctinal issues to be imploding as they are built on sand. Even my wife is now starting to have doubts - Praise be to God.


#17

You are exactly right Gunner.


#18

[quote=Gunner]In charity, the main difference between the Cof E and the Catholic Church is that the Cof E is man made *(Henry VIII and Thomas Cramner etc, with man made morality e.g. Divorce, Contraception, Condoning of Homosexuality in some parts of it. The Catholic church is God made, its morals cannot change.

The argument of sinners in the Catholic church is flawed as if we were not sinners we would not need a saviour. There will always be good and bad Catholics. Sadly, it appears by their actions, few Catholics these days are choosing Heaven - the narrow path. It is wrong to knock the sinner but not the sin. The belief system of Cof E is plain heresy and anobjective abomination to God, but the CofE members may be acting in good faith through ignorance and are not necessarily subjectively culable.

I live in the UK, my wife is Cof E, they have literally been brainwashed by the manipulation of their History over nearly 500 years. Questions like “But is it true” are not even on their mindset hiorizon. Belive me, with my own wife as an example, “It is a hard nut to crack”, but recently especially they appear on doctinal issues to be imploding as they are built on sand. Even my wife is now starting to have doubts - Praise be to God.
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None of which - even if it were all true, which is not the case - justifies Catholic mud-slinging against Anglicans. In fact, this sort of behaviour is exactly the sort of thing that makes me long for the C of E: it doesn’t spend its time raking up their pasts against other Christian bodies, and doesn’t seem to consider that its good qualities depend upon insisting on the bad qualities of others.

There is something devilish - that is precisely the word - in playing the devil’s role as an accuser of other Christians. Mercifully for the C of E, this is a vice which she has shown comparatively little desire to indulge, in recent decades - I thought the CC had also give up this destructive and un-Christian habit. It seems not.

Catholics merely weaken the Church when they dig up scandals among Christians. Quite apart from the foolishness of such a mode of conduct. :frowning: ##


#19

Gottle:
You are right to remind us of charity. We must remember charity, as our Holy Father does, when dialoguing with other religoius bodies.


#20

[quote=Gottle of Geer]## None of which - even if it were all true, which is not the case - justifies Catholic mud-slinging against Anglicans. In fact, this sort of behaviour is exactly the sort of thing that makes me long for the C of E: it doesn’t spend its time raking up their pasts against other Christian bodies, and doesn’t seem to consider that its good qualities depend upon insisting on the bad qualities of others.

There is something devilish - that is precisely the word - in playing the devil’s role as an accuser of other Christians. Mercifully for the C of E, this is a vice which she has shown comparatively little desire to indulge, in recent decades - I thought the CC had also give up this destructive and un-Christian habit. It seems not.

Catholics merely weaken the Church when they dig up scandals among Christians. Quite apart from the foolishness of such a mode of conduct. :frowning: ##
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The Church of England is a disgrace to both Christianity and England. I would be ashamed if the Church appointed an openly homosexual man who’s had homosexual relations to the role of a bishop. http://forums.catholic.com/images/icons/icon13.gif


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