City renames 2 holidays deemed culturally insensitive


#21

He also didn’t discover America. He never got past the West Indies, and the Vikings knew there was a big hunk of land here long before Chris misunderestimated the Earth’s circumference.


#22

Maybe we should change some of the days and months too. Having some of them named after pagan deities might be offensive.


#23

Call me cynical, but this is the kind of rearrange-the-deck-chairs gesture that mayors and city councils resort to when they are failing at the things they were elected to do that are actually important.

When your mayor and city council starts acting as if they are as impotent as the student council at the local high school, you’re in some trouble.


#24

This is pretty much my reaction as well.

shrug Other than that, I really have no problem with it because Good Friday is a specifically Christian holiday and I’m honestly surprised it’s even considered to be a holiday there (further north in the state, it’s been gone for a long time), and others have mentioned the problems with Mr. Columbus.

On a positive note - I was pleasantly surprised however to discover my secular, open on Thanksgiving, employer actually closes for Easter. :shrug:


#25

Let me give you an example of how this works out in another country that has several cultures sharing the political space. Malaysia, where I currently live.

Malaysia is predominantly Muslim, but there are also Indians and Chinese, and the main religions they practice are Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism and Taoism. Islam is not particularly tolerant of other religions, but Malaysia is a nice place and allows other religious holidays to be national holidays. Guess what? They have not been renamed into some meaningless nonsense, but are called Christmas, Deepavali, Chinese New Year, Thaipusam and Wesak. If people don’t want to wish someone a happy particular holiday, they don’t. But if they do, they will name the actual holiday. Good manners I think.

I don’t celebrate any of non-Christian holidays, but they don’t offend my sensibilites. I know my Hindu pals don’t celebrate non-Hindu holidays, but don’t mind other people celebrating theirs. I never got the impression they are offended by them.
I won’t go into Islam here. :wink:

Isn’t there something terribly fundamentalist about American secularism that doesn’t allow religious expression in public? Isn’t that just so small minded and bigoted of them? Is it really neutral to impose their version of things?

Why not let the holidays have their names, let everyone enjoy the days off, and not bother creating divisions among people and convincing them they should feel offended? We are different, that’s the truth. And it’s ok. Vive la difference my dear. :thumbsup:


#26

Bloomington is a city that I have passed through quite a few times since I have had to take my son to doctors in Indianapolis. Personally, I think this is a little dumb. I don’t really care about renaming Columbus day but I do care about renaming Good Friday. Good Friday is a Christian holiday and renaming it Spring Holiday or whatever it was they renamed it is just totally stupid. Good Friday is only a Spring holiday in the sense that it falls in the Spring because Easter is in the Spring. Good Friday is a Christian holiday which only Christians celebrate so why change the name to something that isn’t even remotely Christian?


#27

Washington, D.C.
October 3, 1863

By the President of the United States of America.

A Proclamation.

The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God. In the midst of a civil war of unequalled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict; while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union. Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle or the ship; the axe has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field; and the country, rejoicing in the consciousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom. No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American People. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.

In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the City of Washington, this Third day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the United States the Eighty-eighth.

By the President: Abraham Lincoln


#28

Thanksgiving Proclamation

[New York, 3 October 1789]

By the President of the United States of America, a Proclamation.

Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor-- and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.

Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be-- That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks–for his kind care and protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a Nation–for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his Providence which we experienced in the course and conclusion of the late war–for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed–for the peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted–for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us.

and also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions-- to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually–to render our national government a blessing to all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed–to protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have shewn kindness unto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord–To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the encrease of science among them and us–and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.

Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789.

Separation of Church and State hahaha


#29

Days of the week too.


#30

Thank you for this post


#31

Most of the places that I’ve worked, Good Friday was considered a work day. People who observed it normally took the day off. My sister works for a large company. They can take off a number of days for religious observance.

It isn’t a Federal Holiday. The last place I worked for only closed for federal holidays, so for example it was open the day after thanksgiving. We would need to use a vacation day if we wanted off.


#32

The reason for opposition to Columbus Day is opposition to Christianity. Columbus didn’t discover America - Native Americans, Vikings, perhaps others - but unlike them, he opened the door between Europe and the “New World”. Specifically he brought the gospel to the Western Hemisphere.

Of course he was an imperfect Christian. Of course he, and other Catholics and Protestants who followed up, had other things in mind in addition to the gospel. They brought bad things but those bad things were already present over here. Today, the great majority of Native peoples in North and South America are Christian.

Opposition to Columbus is part of de-evangelization. The (few) hard core anti-Christians claim the coming of **Christ **is the beginning of wars, slavery, exploitation, stifling creativity, hostility to Nature, and morbid sexuality. The much larger number of moderate anti-Christians, including the mainline liberal denominations, are not yet ready to renounce Christ. Instead they exaggerate the evils of Columbus, or the Crusades, and pretend sin did not exist among the people they came in contact with. Supposedly, the only “sin” was Christians trying to convert others.

The argument is made now, not because of interest in the welfare of current Native Americans, but to justify our own resistance to conversion.


#33

I worked in a state university and we got the week off for Christmas, although they called it either a Fall or Winter break.

We also had to for go other holidays to make up for the 5 days we were off.

The U.S. in my opinion, is not longer a Christian nation, but a socialist one. What I have noticed that most of college age students have no idea what a true socialist is and still call themselves one.

This is because for many years most of all faculty in colleges are socialist and some are communists who have been the last link to brainwash students. This starts in Kindergarten, or least it did for my oldest granddaughter.

America is not the same country I grew up in, nor my children. Why can’t people who are either far left or socialists just move to a socialist country, there are many of them. Some have not become dictatorships YET, but I see this coming, even saw it with Obama and hopefully the next four years will stop the movement.

If one were honest with themselves they can see the stress and anxiety people of today are in versus the much calmer life of 30 or 40 years ago.

I know I am talking to a brick wall as people really don’t understand what is going on. Of course these are my opinions and I am old enough to remember the “good old days”, which is my frame of reference.

All I know is to pray that God delivers America from destroying the best country one could live in.

Bernadette


#34

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