[quote="twf, post:28, topic:277871"]
True - but that doesn't mean there isn't considerable autonomy and flexibility between various 'branches' of the Latin Church sui iuris. The Anglican Ordinariates are not sui iuris churches and their Ordinaries are immediately subject to Rome (and in fact derive all their authority from the Roman Pontiff as personal vicarious ordinary jurisdiction), but this makes sense for several reasons... for one, at present, the two Anglican Ordinaries currently shepherding Anglican Catholics are both presbyters and not bishops, due to their married state, thus it is only theologically proper that they receive their jurisdiction to act as bishops from a true bishop - in this case, the Bishop of Rome. That being said, the faithful of the Anglican Ordinariates enjoy the right to worship according to their own distinct liturgy, be governed by married Ordinaries as per Anglican custom, and live the Christian life according to traditional Anglican spirituality. Legally they may be more restricted than a Church sui iuris, but there are probably more genuine differences between an Anglican Ordinariate and a Latin diocese than there is between any two Byzantine Churches sui iuris. Even within the Roman Rite Latin Church, the various national jurisdictions enjoy autonomy on a number of issues as determined by the bishops (in consultation with the Holy See - which makes sense as the Pope is the primate of our particular Church) - for example:
In Canada, Latin Catholics observed only two holy days of obligation - Christmas and Mary Mother of God, while in the United States they observe six[/LIST]
In Canada, Latin Catholics may substitute another act of piety for the traditional meat abstinence on all Fridays of the year, even during Lent, while in the United States, Latin Catholics may only substitute other acts of piety on Fridays outside of Lent...and in the UK, Latin Catholics must abstain from meat, as per the traditional practice, all Fridays of the year[/LIST]
In the Dominican Republic the feast of Our Lady of Altagracia is a great national feast but it does not even appear on the calendar of the Latin Church in Canada[/LIST]
In the United States, the Latin faithful kneel during the entire Eucharistic prayer, while in Canada the appropriate kneeling/standing postures are determined by the local bishop and vary from city to city - in Vancouver we kneel during the entire EP as in the US, but in near by Nelson, we kneel only during the consecration itself[/LIST]
[quote="Hesychios, post:29, topic:277871"]
The concept of separate Sui Iuris churches is a modern one for the Papal communion (not even thirty years old).
You both make good arguments. But rather responding point by point, let me ask you both this: if being a sui iuris church or not being one doesn't make much difference, then why don't they just go ahead and let the Ordinariates have that distinction (albeit conditioned on the need for a celibate bishop)?
Also, if I remember correctly, didn't Cardinal Kaspar make a special point of telling the Eastern Orthodox that the new Ordinariates would not be sui iuris churches? Why would he do that unless being sui iuris makes a significant difference?