[quote=steve99] I have a friend (Salvation Army) who is close to becoming a Catholic. She believes in the most of the Church teaching and has been through RCIA, but she is stuck on Mary and the Saints. There seem to be two, related, issues.
One is “The Bible says we shouldn’t communicate with the dead”, for example Deut 18:10-11
“Let there not be found among you …. nor one who consults ghosts and spirits, or seeks oracles from the dead.”
Then there is “How do we know those who die are not asleep until the resurrection?”. For this take for example Psalm 22:30 “All who sleep in the earth will bow low before the Lord”. And 1 Samuel 29:15, when Samuel says, “Why do you disturb me by conjuring me up”
Can you give me some good arguments against these and for the Catholic position of the communion of saints, alive in heaven; and asking Mary & the saints for intercession.
Preferably I would like good scripture backup for arguments. Thanks
Either their interpretation of Scripture is incorrect or Jesus was sinning when:
[quote=drbo.org] Mt 17, 1 And after six days Jesus taketh unto him Peter and James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into a high mountain apart: 2 And he was transfigured before them. And his face did shine as the sun: and his garments became white as snow. 3 And behold there appeared to them Moses and Elias talking with him.
Of course, Jesus was not sinning, those souls united with God are not “dead” they are more alive than you and I. Reading Scripture if there is one recurring theme (both OT & NT) it is intercession. God uses man, angels, inanimate objects for intercession. He didn’t change rules with the incarnation, He still uses us, and His saints in heaven. Jesus is “the” mediator as in the Most High mediator, but He still uses you and I, and the saints in heaven to do His work. The problem with your friends thinking is that those who leave this world in the unity of Jesus the Christ are dead, they most certainly are not.