Communist Party banned in Ukraine by Kiev court


#1

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/communist-party-banned-in-ukraine-by-kiev-court-a6777586.html


#2

This is one reason why the Kiev Junta is oppressive. The article even said the “new Ukrainian authorities” took power after a coup.

The people in the Donbass are fighting for their heritage, for their beliefs of what they perceive as the positive legacy of the Soviet Union. They rightly perceived that they are being oppressed.


#3

I wonder if AI has the same negative attitude about Germany having made the Nazi party illegal?


#4

I listened to some David Irving lectures, and I cannot help but sometimes feel sorry him (especially when he was incarcerated). Not that I agree with him regarding Auschwitz and Hitler. (I also feel sorry for Aaron Hernandez). I just do not support Holocaust denial laws.

Regarding the Nazi Party, it depends if it would agitate people or require exorbitant resources to protect the party members.

But it is clear that Kiev is alienating a lot of people.


#5

I thank God the old Soviet Union is gone and the oppression of communism is no longer reigning in that part of the world. Same with Nazism, why people are trying to revive this stuff I will never know.

*“How do you tell a communist? Well, it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It’s someone who understands Marx and Lenin.” *- Ronald Reagan

I am still learning about communism but I do know it was responsible for much persecution, especially toward Christianity and that Saint Pope John Paul II fought hard against it, Archbishop Fulton J Sheen also has much to say about communism too.

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh


#6

It is an atheism system, just because other countries are atheist or other religions, doesn’t mean Ukraine has to follow suit even if those countries illegally invade them.


#7

Communism and Nazism are nothing alike, at all.


#8

Yes, but they are both bad, and I hate seeing people trying to revive previous generational errors that were responsible for much evil.

The reason I mentioned them both was because I have heard something about a Neo Nazi party in Ukraine, so if they are opposing communism out of Nazism, than that is likewise bad.

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh


#9

Are you contending that the Soviet system is communist?
It seems you were arguing just the opposite on another thread.

Either way, both totalitarian systems killed millions.
So I still wonder what the position that AI has on the banning of the Nazi party in Germany?


#10

But Ukraine has not banned the Azov battalions.

Either way, both totalitarian systems killed millions.
So I still wonder what the position that AI has on the banning of the Nazi party in Germany?

Nazism is Nazism. Socialism is socialism. There is no such thing as totalitarianism.

The Soviets had a socialist government and gave people decent lives. The legacy of the Reds should be preserved.

Where Reds have prevailed, the outcome has been far-reaching material gain for the bulk of the population: full employment, free health care, free education through university, free and subsidized child care, cheap living accommodations and inexpensive public transportation. Life expectancy has soared, illiteracy has been wiped out, and homelessness, unemployment and economic insecurity have been abolished. Racial strife and ethnic tensions have been reduced to almost the vanishing point. And inequalities in wealth, income, opportunity, and education have been greatly reduced. Where Reds have been overthrown, mass unemployment, underdevelopment, hunger, disease, illiteracy, homelessness, and racial conflict have recrudesced, as the estates, holdings and privileges of former fat cats have been restored. Communists produced gains in the interest of all humanity, achieved in the face of very trying conditions, including the unceasing hostility of the West and the unremitting efforts of the former exploiters to restore the status quo ante.

gowans.wordpress.com/2011/12/20/we-lived-better-then/

The Soviet system (aside from the Yezhovshchina and the WWII) was fairly benign. In Marxist theory, the state exists the oppress on class in favor the interests of the other. Yes, the Soviet state was repressive, since it deemed it has to repress the bourgeois and capitalist elements within it, but also the US (and for the most part almost any other country) represses other classes for the sake of the bourgeoisie (and in also for agrarian interests antebellum). Wasn’t quelling the Shays Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion “repressive” (and favors a class interest, in the case of Shays’ Rebellion, those holding the debts of the farmers)? Not to mention the Smith Act prosecutions and COINTELPRO, and the imprisonment of Eugene V. Debs.

After all, James Madison gave credence to this theory of the state (that the state uses its power to protect the class interests of the privileged):

The man who is possessed of wealth, who lolls on his sofa or rolls in his carriage, cannot judge the wants or feelings of the day-laborer. The government we mean to erect is intended to last for ages. The landed interest, at present, is prevalent; but in process of time, when we approximate to the states and kingdoms of Europe, — when the number of landholders shall be comparatively small, through the various means of trade and manufactures, will not the landed interest be overbalanced in future elections, and unless wisely provided against, what will become of your government? In England, at this day, if elections were open to all classes of people, the property of landed proprietors would be insecure. An agrarian law would soon take place. If these observations be just, our government ought to secure the permanent interests of the country against innovation. Landholders ought to have a share in the government, to support these invaluable interests, and to balance and check the other. **They ought to be so constituted as to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority. ** The senate, therefore, ought to be this body; and to answer these purposes, they ought to have permanency and stability.

In Ukraine, the far-right are not motivated by class, but probably want a volk state of mostly ethnic Ukrainians (and the state would oppress not of Ukrainian ethnicity). One should know the OUN and UPA used to have enmity towards Poles, but they had detente when they had a mutual enemy in Russia and communism.


#11

For all the years of independence there were no unified communists in Ukraine.
I mean they split among themselves, kicked out the ideological sincerely dedicated people, many were covetous.Their hope left only stayed for Greece, Spain, Portugal, where the left have good results on the elections, and the right-wing of these mentioned countries sometimes even do not get into parliament.
Usually the communist party in Ukraine had most voters in Donetsk-Lugansk regions, in absolute majority of course among elder people, where Soviet memories were associated with comparative income and some little prosperity. They were pro-Soviet, pro-Russian, pro-Kremlin, because they probably believe in the revival of Russian neo-communism.The revival of neo-communism in Russian would have been more pronounced in the solidarity of the fraternal neighboring countries.


#12

Seriously? Communism and Nazism are absolutely totalitarian and are both responsible for much evil, people should be learning from history, not trying to repeat it. :frowning:

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh


#13

It’s time to look to the future and not the past.
Japan will build a plant in the Lviv region parts
goo.gl/xZqBlW
3000 jobs.
The functioning of the factory will begin very soon.
To work in a modern factory is much more optimistic than to collect and donate a penny to metololom from Soviet factories.(I mean the gloomy prospects for pro-Communist regions of Novorosia)


#14

It is hard to take apologists for Communism seriously,but we must. This is still the system that many strive for.


#15

There really isn’t anything that bad advocated for in Marxist theory, or by any other communists. I understand why a government would want to ban it, particularly somewhere like Ukraine, but it isn’t any kind of evil ideology.

Could you quote me? What exactly did I say?

The USSR was socialist. It was only communist in the sense that it aimed to achieve communism.

“Communism” isn’t a “totalitarian system”, it’s stateless. If you’re going to criticise political theories, at least try and criticise them based on the actual points they make and terms they use. Capitalism continues to kill people everyday, and forces millions more to live and work in terrible conditions.


#16

interesting
CNA NEWS
Former Soviet spy: We created Liberation Theology
goo.gl/CYFcyS


#17

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