That was St. Augustine’s idea, and it was adopted enthusiastically by the Reformers, especially John Calvin. But it’s not the Church’s position. Our fate is based on the choices we make:
From the Catechism:
*1037 God predestines no one to go to hell; for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end. In the Eucharistic liturgy and in the daily prayers of her faithful, the Church implores the mercy of God, who does not want “any to perish, but all to come to repentance”…
God desires that all men be saved and will give the grace sufficient to all for salvation…but the grace won’t be efficacious for all…only some. So God planned only for some people to be saved…not all people.
The first sentence is (more or less) the Thomistic position, but the second is an unwarranted inference. If I offer everyone in my town free chocolate, but only half of them turn up and eat it, I haven’t “planned” for the others to go without chocolate.
It kind of feels like God is saying to those other people “best of luck to you, hope you make it to heaven with me and the ones I elected”
No, He’s saying “As painful as it is to Me, I give you the freedom to choose an eternity separated from My Presence.”
- Does this mean that God loves some people more and some people less than others?
No. It means that some of us accept the love of God, and some of us reject it.
- Does that mean that those elected don’t have the free will to be damned because God already chose them?
This is the Calvinist doctrine of “perseverance of the saints”, but it isn’t Catholic. Men can and will fall away from the Truth for a variety of reasons, even after receiving the grace of the Sacraments. Forget modern politicians, look at Tertullian or Tatian.
- Does that mean those who are not pre-elected are not destined to hell…but are also not given the same amount of grace as the elected…so in a way…are destined to hell?
I don’t think grace works that way. “Okay, X gets 100 Grace Points, so he’s saved. Y has only 80, so he can’t win the boss battle against Satan, and he’s damned.” Salvation is not a matter of mathematics or RPG calculations.
4a) When numbers like those given from saints and private revelations say that say “out of every X number of people, only one will be saved”…is that the universal statistic for people who are predestined? (if the private revelation is true)
Not any more than those private revelations which claim near-universal salvation, or a “last chance” to all at the moment of death. We do not have an official statistic. Jesus Himself refused to answer this question, because it was presumptuous: we have to try, not worry about numbers:
*And a certain man said to him: Lord, are they few that are saved? But he said to them:
Strive to enter by the narrow gate: for many, I say to you, shall seek to enter and shall not be able.
4b)…so in other words, for example…if a private revelation said 1 out of every X number of people will be saved…we should only expect to have a 1 out of X chance of staying in a state of grace? (if the private revelation is true)
See the above. It’s true that the chance is certainly not 100% (for many, I say to you, shall seek to enter and shall not be able…), but there’s no point in seeking a figure.
#1 hurts me the most :crying: if its true…
Take comfort, the Church has never taught that.
and #4a and 4b are the scariest:eek: if true
Christ Himself told us not to seek an answer to this question, so I wouldn’t let those two points bother me.