Confession as quoted in the KJV


#1

ROMANS 10: 9,10
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation

    • New King James Version*

Now follow with me here. Many Prots use this verse as a “prescription” of sorts for salvation and seem to base the sinner’s pray from it (often at the end of the sinner’s prayer, you are told to go tell someone about it, as part of your confession that you are a Christian).

Work with me - EVEN IF baptism wasn’t necessary and maintenance of your Christian life wasn’t necessary (with good works and stuff), Catholics would still fit the bill of “being saved” wouldn’t they? Think of it: a Catholic makes their confession of belief every single Sunday mass of ordinary time with the apostles creed. Even if all that was necessary is laid out in these two verses, Protestants have no business trying to “save” Catholics, as Catholics seem to be “saved” already, even just following these two verses.

Does that make sense? Prots are always trying to get Catholics to believe and confess their belief, when they’re already doing it every single Sunday.

It was just a thought. Maybe it’s a thought worthy enough for Catholics to use to discuss with their non Cath friends who think the whole Bible can be summed up in the book of Romans. :wink:


#2

[quote=Curious]Many Prots use this verse as a “prescription” of sorts for salvation and seem to base the sinner’s pray from it (often at the end of the sinner’s prayer, you are told to go tell someone about it, as part of your confession that you are a Christian).

Work with me - EVEN IF baptism wasn’t necessary and maintenance of your Christian life wasn’t necessary (with good works and stuff), Catholics would still fit the bill of “being saved” wouldn’t they? Think of it: a Catholic makes their confession of belief every single Sunday mass of ordinary time with the apostles creed. Even if all that was necessary is laid out in these two verses, Protestants have no business trying to “save” Catholics, as Catholics seem to be “saved” already, even just following these two verses.
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Sounds good to me!


#3

Sounds good to me, too. Another interesting thing about that particular verse from Romans is that whole “confess . . . with your mouth” thing. Confess is a verb - eeek! a work? - and the fact that Paul includes that phrase “with your mouth” emphasizes the physical aspect of confessing. Sounds kind of like a *work, *doesn’t it?


#4

[quote=Curious]ROMANS 10: 9,10
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation
- New King James Version

Now follow with me here. Many Prots use this verse as a “prescription” of sorts for salvation and seem to base the sinner’s pray from it (often at the end of the sinner’s prayer, you are told to go tell someone about it, as part of your confession that you are a Christian).

Work with me - EVEN IF baptism wasn’t necessary and maintenance of your Christian life wasn’t necessary (with good works and stuff), Catholics would still fit the bill of “being saved” wouldn’t they? Think of it: a Catholic makes their confession of belief every single Sunday mass of ordinary time with the apostles creed. Even if all that was necessary is laid out in these two verses, Protestants have no business trying to “save” Catholics, as Catholics seem to be “saved” already, even just following these two verses.

Does that make sense? Prots are always trying to get Catholics to believe and confess their belief, when they’re already doing it every single Sunday.

It was just a thought. Maybe it’s a thought worthy enough for Catholics to use to discuss with their non Cath friends who think the whole Bible can be summed up in the book of Romans. :wink:
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ISTM that your reasoning would only work if the Protestant you were trying to convince believed in OSAS :slight_smile:


#5

ISTM that your reasoning would only work if the Protestant you were trying to convince believed in OSAS :slight_smile:

You’re right…I was thinking along those lines when I wrote it.
What is ISTM by the way?


#6

I say this when someone starts with that arguement
We Catholics do this every weekend and sometimes during the week if I go to a weekday Mass, but then I stress that is only if I take one statement out of the Bible, take one interpretation of it and absolutize it. If I believe in doing all that then wow I must be saved by just that!!!

But I believe there is more and that is what keeps us from understanding each other, and if they would like to talk about it I am happy to talk with them.


#7

[quote=Curious]ROMANS 10: 9,10
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation
- New King James Version

Now follow with me here. Many Prots use this verse as a “prescription” of sorts for salvation and seem to base the sinner’s pray from it (often at the end of the sinner’s prayer, you are told to go tell someone about it, as part of your confession that you are a Christian).

Work with me - EVEN IF baptism wasn’t necessary and maintenance of your Christian life wasn’t necessary (with good works and stuff), Catholics would still fit the bill of “being saved” wouldn’t they? Think of it: a Catholic makes their confession of belief every single Sunday mass of ordinary time with the** apostles creed.** Even if all that was necessary is laid out in these two verses, Protestants have no business trying to “save” Catholics, as Catholics seem to be “saved” already, even just following these two verses.

Does that make sense? Prots are always trying to get Catholics to believe and confess their belief, when they’re already doing it every single Sunday.

It was just a thought. Maybe it’s a thought worthy enough for Catholics to use to discuss with their non Cath friends who think the whole Bible can be summed up in the book of Romans. :wink:
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A correction. Catholics do not say the Apostle’s Creed every Sunday - we say the Nicene Creed ( which is an amplified Apostle’s Creed)

You throw in an “IF” .If Baptism wasnt necessary…but it is necessary, it can (possible) be only desired and not actual.

It is a good effort you made but your effort would be overiding all the rest of the Bible and only recognising Romans 10. By the way this Book was written by Paul, he never was an original Apostle who lived with Jesus. Why use Paul’s Book and ignore the others?


#8

You make a good point – Catholics are not deficient in confessing Jesus, doing it in most every Mass. I had a similar thought over Easter, regarding the claim by some that Catholics who are baptised as infants are not really Christians. Well, we also renew our baptismal vows every year at Easter, so I don’t think we’re deficient there either, even when viewed from the point of view of one who does not recognize infant baptism.


#9

An objection I could see to this is that memorized, recited prayers do not “count”. It has to be from the heart. Trying to get some to see that a memorized prayer can be from the heart can be trying. Even mentioning the Our Father does not help. I have been told that “Well that is different. Jesus gave it to us.”

Good START to a conversation. But not a slam dunk to conversion;)

God Bless,
Maria


#10

[quote=MariaG]An objection I could see to this is that memorized, recited prayers do not “count”. It has to be from the heart. Trying to get some to see that a memorized prayer can be from the heart can be trying. Even mentioning the Our Father does not help. I have been told that “Well that is different. Jesus gave it to us.”
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I know, sometimes you just can’t win! :rolleyes:

But heck, I thought Jesus also gave us the faith that we confess in the creed.

Besides, the verses that Curious quoted don’t say anything about “memorized” vs. “from the heart”. Sounds like “from the heart” is an extra-biblical tradition of men…


#11

Whoops…Nicene Creed then…not apostles creed. Gimme a break I’ve only been to one regular mass. :wink:

[QUOTEIt is a good effort you made but your effort would be overiding all the rest of the Bible and only recognising Romans 10. By the way this Book was written by Paul, he never was an original Apostle who lived with Jesus. Why use Paul’s Book and ignore the others?]

I have no intention of overriding the rest of the Bible. You seem to have missed the point of my IF’s and my “work with me’s”.
I’m saying if people insist on picking out verses, this verse in Romans in particular, and basing all of salvation on it, then Catholics would still “fit the bill” of salvation with believing and confessing. That’s all I’m saying.


#12

Good START to a conversation. But not a slam dunk to conversion;)

lol…thanks maria. I doubt I’ll ever come up with a slam dunk of ANY kind. :smiley: But these are the things I think about when I’m supposed to be studying for school!


#13

Actually the sinners prayer as it is called is a memorized prayer, they just generally say it once, or once again if they are reborn again.
I do my confession of faith, and completely mean it, as well as the Our Father. Unless I am distracted by like by daughter pulling her sisters hair and starting to scream or something. She’s three years old and has a lot of energy.
This is a good discussion starter I have found, unless they don’t want to discuss and just want to say bad things about the Catholic Faith.


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