[quote="TrueLight, post:12, topic:294702"]
And in the West how do you stop committing the same sin over and over again (how do you remove the sickness)?
Praying, fasting and the sacraments.
Okay, maybe not so much emphasis on fasting for some folks, but I know a lot of people who fast for diverse reasons.
Do you see the similarities?
Similarities doesn't mean they are the same. Don't forget Protestants do fast as well and some would have the Sacraments even though they are not actual Sacraments.
Of course in the West the objective is not only to gain forgiveness of the offenses made, but also have the resolve not to commit them again. But the emphasis is more on the state of grace rather than any ontological change on the person. For example, and correct me please if I am wrong, that the belief is that if you go to confession and you are absolved of all your sins, if you got struck by lightning just as you are leaving the confessional and you died right there and then, you are likely to go to heaven because you have no sins.
In the East, while confession would also have the same effect of gaining forgiveness for your sins, it has not guaranteed anything if you were to die right there and then. You could still be a sinner at heart and that could still prevent you from accepting God fully. But then also there are differences in concept of the experience in heaven between East and West. In the East you may still receive eternal bliss even though it won't be as full as those who have achieved a higher level of change in their being. I believe in the West it is either you are in heaven or you are not. Those who are not fully condemned would still undergo purification in purgatory but the end result is purity like all the other saints.
[quote="TheDoors, post:15, topic:294702"]
Very interesting. I think that you are both saying the same thing from a different view point. Which is expected from a Roman Rite and an Orthodox. ;)
Please keep it up! I love seeing civil discussion!
I used to believe in that and there are thsoe who will say that East and West are just looking at the same thing from two different view points. But the more I learn about Eastern theology, the harder it is for me to reconcile it with Western theology. One of a Protestant faith is closer to Catholic theology than a Catholic is to Orthodox, regarldess of the view of true Apostolic succession and tradition.