Confused about "near occasions of sin"


#1

I use to understandit as, NOOS is something that will very likely lead an individual into mortal sin. However, browsing some threads I’ve seen people call all SORTS of different things NOOS! I’ve also seen people say, “no, you can’t do that, that will be a near occasion of sin for you.”

wel…how do you know? :shrug: I understand things like heavy making out or pornography are near occasions of sin in and of themselves, but I don’t see how you can label something by saying, “that will bea near occasion of sin for YOU?”

Additionally, I’ve seen people warning not to do something saying, “just because you aren’t tempted to sin now doesn’t mean you won’t be in the future!” …well, doesn’t that mean it’s NOT a NOOS? at least not at the moment? Methinks our temptations change as we grow older, mature, or stumble. I don’t understanding avoiding something that causes no harm now nor in the forseeable future, just because it MIGHT SOMEDAY be a NOOS…isn’t that branching a little far?


#2

Maye that person was refering to something thatis constantly tempting another, but they are resisting the temptation?

I do not think a thing must be avoided under the definition of “may someday lead to sin”. You’re right in saying that near occasion of sin means, will likely lead to sin, either in general or at this moment. There are many things in life that may someday catch us in a weak moment. Things we do everyday may lead us to sin once or twice, but that’s why we constantly re-evaluate ourselves.

Also, it seems to me that there’s another layer here; an occasion of an occasion. There are things that tempt us to sin, and then there are things that might tempt us. Does that make sense? For example, talking about work might be a temptation to gossip about your coworkers, and talking to your best friend might tempt you to talk about work. Does that mean you have to avoid talking to your friend, which could tempt you to talk about work, which could tempt you to gossip? no, unless you find you can’t resist talking about work, and therefor, gossiping.

We have temptations to sin, and then we have occasions for temptation! I think that’s a distinction to be made. A NEAR OCCASION implies you are strongly tempted to sin. however, it’s possible to be in a position that might tempt you, but no longer be tempted…does that make sense?


#3

I agree. It is however, more cautious to simply keep ourselves out of the reach of NOOS. But hey, if you’re that confident that you’ll be able to handle a morally constrasted temptation properly, by definition there is nothing that keeps you from doing it. It may even strengthen your force of will to be better prepared to when it comes to a NOOS of a sin you’re not used to control. :thumbsup:


#4

It is important to distinguish regarding occasions of sin.

A near occasion for a mortal sin (usually that is the focus of the question): is some thing or person or place etc what generally leads one to commit a particular mortal sin…or likely will cause one to commit the mortal sin in question…

Such can be of a nature that it generally leads most to sin (basically a near occasion for all)…or is particular to a person.

(And that later part yes can change --though we need to take care in judging if something used to be a near occasion --but we think it is not now – it may be important to get some “outside advice” from a confessor.)

Ordinarily we are obliged to avoid such. Though there can be exceptions.

It is not just a temptation per se. Often times one must be around certain temptations due to duty or the simply the society we live in. Etc.

(Though we should judge well too what temptations to be around …there are many that it is better to simply avoid entirely and others which one cannot to easily avoid. And there are of course things simply not really fitting for a Christian anyhow.)

And it is not a “remote occasion” where one could be tempted but generally one does not fall. Such are often in our society.

There can also be “necessary” occasions…one can speak with ones confessor in regards to such.

Now of course if something generally does not lead one to mortal sin…but one sees that here and now it will…well one avoids it!

A good confessor too can help one judge.


#5

something can be a near occasion of sin for one person but not another.

Going to a bar would be a near occasion of sin for an alcoholic, but not for me, for example.

Going to a casino might be a near occasion of sin if someoene has a gambling problem, but not for a person who can control their gambling and play within their means.

There are many such examples. You know what your weaknesses are, and putting yourself into situations in which you will be tempted beyond your ability to resist are near occasions of sin.

Items you mention-- pornography for example-- is itself a sin not merely a near occasion of sin.


#6

Yes there is conflicting advise given on CAF and again it should be poster beware if someone is asking for advice. It again is hard to give advice or guidance over the internet when people are asking “is this a sin?” because the whole or complete picture is not given or key info is not shared. Concerning that a number of these questions are over sex and morality, Jesus did make it clear in the sermon on the mount that if someone thinks about adultery with someone else that they have committed adultery. Based on that standard, viewing pornography, or even reading books that glorify it would be more that NOOS. Likewise in relationships between men and women, staying alone together maybe a NOOS
I remember reading about Billy Graham in that he would never allow himself to be alone in a room, a car or even an elevator with an other women that wasn’t his wife or family. That may sound extreme to most but he felt in his position as a public religious leader, he didn’t want to give and occasion for “sin” or accusations. You mentioned “heavy making out” as a border line, but again maybe just being alone together in a home with doors closed might be the limit based on the relationship. NOOS is not easy to define for everyone and may not be the exactly the same either.


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