Originally Posted by Credo ergo sum
Praying through the saints is not summoning the dead.
Whether you want to call them dead or refer to them as spirits or souls that are alive (but not in their bodies), it all means the same thing.
It all absolutely does not mean the same thing.
Praying to or through the saints is NOT summoning the dead, which was forbidden in
the Jewish Tanakh (the Old Testament).
Again, the Law of Moses placed a curse on witches and mediums and those who summoned the dead.
This was a widespread practice in the ancient world BEFORE God, through Moses, introduced the Law. (( This is how you can know that the Jehovah’ Witnesses are wrong when they claim that the Bible’s Jews did not believe in the existence of our
souls or spirits, because Moses had to FORBID THEM to try to summon them back into this world, by the way )). The widespread practice was necromancy, during which a medium or a group of people trying to act as mediums (like in today’s seances) would use special chants and incantations and perhaps smoke and incense etc, to summon up, basically control, a departed spirit / soul and force him to return to this realm to give them information or whatever. Saul did it specifically to get SAMUEL to come up and give him advice and reassurance.
Please note: King Saul did not merely say, “Holy Prophet Samuel, please pray for me to God that He will forgive my sins and deliver me from the pagan armies.”, and leave it at that and not try to call up his spirit and consult him.
That would not be, even then, the same thing as the summoning up and consulting
of the dead.
No, he went to a medium, a “witch,” the witch of En-Dor,
which witches he, Saul, had years before tried to drive out of Israel completely,
and asked her to use her powers to CALL UP (i.e. back into this realm) the ghost of
SAMUEL. Now, witches / mediums had what we and scripture call “Familiar Spirits.”
In other words, some of them at least, knew that in summoning the spirits of the dead,
they were pulling a ruse on the people. They may not have known that their familliar spirit was what we today in the church call “a Demon,” but they knew it was their, one, familiar spirit. It would appear, pretending to be Aunt Sylvia or Uncle Schlomo or whoever.
THIS time, by GOD’s power (for a medium herself cannot truly bring up a dead person’s soul), SAMUEL showed up. This explains why, as scripture records, the witch of En-DOR screamed in terror, turned to Saul and accusingly yelled at him (in fear for her life),
“You have TRICKED ME !!! YOU are SAUL !!!” This was because she knew that previously, Saul tried to have executed every medium who was discovered to be one.
She realized that THIS SPIRIT really WAS the Prophet Samuel and NOT her Familiar Spirit, and was scared of being put to death by Saul. Perhaps she believed that Saul and God and Samuel were all in this together as a really clever way to detect and execute MORE mediums, this time HER.
Saul had to REASSURE HER that he was not going to kill her, and she calmed down. Then Samuel spoke, and instead of calming Saul down, Samuel blasted him for engaging in Necromancy and thus angering God, and
then told him he was going to die in battle, which is precisely what happened.
When you pray to the Saints, or speak to them and praise the virtues that they developed in life in union with Christ and the Holy Spirit, you are not, not, not, not, not “Summoning the Dead,” in the sense that scripture condemns at all. That is necromancy, this is not.
Your argumentation to the previous posters reveals a protestant mentality, something a Catholic would never have unless he or she has been listeing to protestant writers or speakers, or, who is a protestant, pretending to be a Catholic, lurking on these forums, which sometimes does happen here.
Catholics have a certain “worldview” and an associated “manner of speaking” that is consonant ONLY with a Catholic “worldview”.
Protestants have a “worldview” and an associated “manner or way of speaking,” as well,
which is consonant/consistent ONLY with people whose mindsets are protestant and NOT catholic and even sometimes antiCatholic.
And their arguments give them away, eventually, 100% of the time,
even when, on their visible profile here, they list their religion as “Catholic.”