[quote=RyanL]So now back to baptism. We are told in 1 Peter 3:20-21 that the Flood was a ‘type’ of our NT baptism. Where Noah and his family were physically saved, WE are spiritually saved through baptism! Can you see how ‘symbolism only’ cannot possibly fulfill the OT type? Certainly there is a symbolic aspect, but symbolism only leaves the OT ‘type’ much greater than the NT fulfillment, which makes no sense. Can you see how it has to be more than symbol? Can you understand how the Holy Spirit wanted us to see this in Scriptures, and God used the fullness of time, history, and human events to make sure this is something we would learn? How much more should we learn our NT lesson?
So let’s start with that, and assume that we do receive salvific grace at baptism. Does that mean that we are “saved”, and there is nothing that God or we can do to un-save us? Surely it can’t be so easy as a single sin, instantly repented, as we know from Galatians 3:10 and James 2:8-10 that if we are guilty of any infraction, we are guilty of all of it, right? Even the righteous man stumbles seven times a day, right? How could anyone live up to that?!?
How indeed. Our God is a loving, compassionate God of infinite mercy and infinite justice. We must be repaid for our sins, but mercy acting through Christ’s atoning work brings “now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Rom 8:1). If we are *in *Christ Jesus, we will be punnished, but with few lashes (i.e., we won’t be damned). But can we separate ourselves from Him? It would seem so, according to Paul in the same letter - Rom 11:22 “22Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.” How could we be cut off, and bring ourselves to judgement? The same Holy Spirit who inspired the rest of scripture tells us this: “If anyone sees his brother commit sin that does not lead to death not mortal], he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death mortal]. I am not saying that he should pray about that. All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death” (1 John 5:16-17).
*] = added. So there are mortal sins and not-mortal sins (which we will, for convenience, call “venial”). How can we commit a mortal sin, and how can we commit a venial sin, and how are we to know? Our Lord Jesus, eternally wise, taught us exactly how to know by way of parable in Luke 12:47-48:
So to commit a mortal sin we need to have 1. knowledge of the “master’s desires”, 2. sufficiently serious matter as to be worthy of “flogging”, and 3. full concent of our wills to disobey. This would be a mortal sin. Our Just Lord has instilled in us a sense of justice, and this should ring true in your ears.
I will pause here and let you retort.
May the peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you always,
Christ’s Peace to you.
Well, there’s certainly alot to unpack here and rather than attempt to “refute” your statements, I will endeavor to positively assert a slightly different picture of the nature of the Salvation of Our Lord Jesus Christ. In so doing, I am attempting to demonstrate that classifications such as “mortal” or “venial” sins are superfluous.
For the purposes of this discussion let us leave aside the question of Baptismal Regeneration. I propose that we undertake that discussion as a separate thread. Let us agree that salvation “has taken place”; as it seems the main question is whether that salvation can be lost.
First of all I assert that there is only one sin that needs to repented of:
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! John 1:28
Notice John the Baptist is stating that the Lamb of God takes away THE SIN of the world, NOT the SINS of the world.
What is THE SIN? It is the sin of Genesis 3: the disobedience of Adam. As Paul states:
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned for before the law was given, sin was in the world. Romans 5:12-13
The sin spoken of is the sin of disobedience, of living independently of God. To use a more Catholic vernacular, the sin is Original Sin willfully affirmed. It is the sin of Unbelief.