So…how badly did I screw up?
woundedimmortal: have you ever heard of the Great Apostasy theory?
Nick: Is it the theory that the Catholic Church apostosized early on, or the theory that the Catholic Church will apostosize later on?
woundedimmortal: early on
Nick: I’ve heard of it, but don’t believe it. It lacks historical evidence, for example, historical records, archeological evidence, etc.
woundedimmortal: The way I’ve heard it explained is that the Apostles were killed off before they could ordain other Apostles leaving only Bishops
woundedimmortal: so therefore the Catholic Church couldn’t possibly have the fullness of the gospel bc they have no living Apostles
woundedimmortal: like something was lost
Nick: In the Epistle to Timothy, I believe, the Apostle calls Timothy a bishop, and bishops are the successors of the Apostles. But not many people believe this, because they don’t realize the Bible literally comes from Tradition - meaning, without Tradition, you can’t understand the Bible. I can give an example, if you want.
Nick: You know how in the gospels Jesus commands us to eat and drink His flesh and blood?
Nick: (You can symbolically, if you wish) Well, there is nothing in the Bible that tells you how to eat and drink His flesh and blood. Now, if God gave us the Bible to teach us how to worship Him, then why would He not tell us how to worship Him? Look back at the Books of Exodus, Numbers, Deutromany: In these books, God explicitly tells the Israelites how to worship Him, right down to how they ough to purify themselves. Now why didn’t God do this again for His Church? It seems He’s left us hanging - unless He’s given us something else. And that something is Tradition. Just as the Jews had the Oral Torah, the Church has Oral Scripture - i.e., Tradition. And it is tradition which tells us how to celebrate the Mass, how to eat Jesus, and it is Tradition that tells us about the bishops.
woundedimmortal: so Nick what is the tradition about the Bishops
Nick: It is that the Bishops are the successors of the Apostles. Just as the Father sent Jesus, so too He sends the Apostles, and so too they sent the bishops.
woundedimmortal: why’d the 11 need to ordain other Apostles then?
Nick: No, they ordained bishops, not apostles.
Nick: They ordained bishops as their successors, so the Church could continue to be governed after their death.
woundedimmortal: they ordainied Matthais, and Paul, plus others who are mentioned in the Bible to be Apostles before they died
woundedimmortal: why did they do that?
Nick: Matthais was chosen by the Lord, not the Apostles. They cast lots, God chose him. They had to have 12 Apostles. As for Paul, I don’t think he was ordained; I think his title of Apostle is symbolic, just like Mary Magadelen’s title ‘Apostle to the Apostles’ is symbolic.
Nick: “Apostle” means someone sent. Hence, Jesus is called an Apostle, because He was sent by God. And the Apostles are sent by Him. And Paul is sent to the Gentiles. And Mary Magdalen was sent to tell the Apostles that Jesus is risen.
woundedimmortal: what about Barnabas, Silas, Apollos, Andronicus and Junia who are also mentioned in the Bible
woundedimmortal: …as apostles
Nick: Only Paul and the twelve have the office of Apostle, which is different from the symbolic title of “Apostle to the Gentles” and “Apostle to the Apostles.” They were given the office by Jesus.
Nick: And it was the same Jesus who chose Matthais to replace Judas when the eleven cast lots.
**woundedimmortal: **thanks for answering my questions, do you have any questions of me and Mormonism?
Nick: You’re welcome Jason I just have one: Where did the name Mormon come from?
woundedimmortal: It is the name of the ‘put together’er’ of the Book of Mormon he was the second to last writer of the Book
Nick: Ah, ok. Thanks for the answer
Nick: You don’t mind if I share our conversion with my friends, do you?
woundedimmortal: no you can
Nick: Thank you very much