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#1

My girlfriend and I are serious enough to be speaking of marriage. I was raised Catholic and attended Catholic high school (however not confirmed), she was raised very loosely as Lutheran. We both agree that when we bring children into this world that we should attend service as a family. I am drawn to the Catholic Faith, however, she is reluctant…partially due to recent events (sex scandals) but also because of much more distant, less inclusive teachings…i.e. mentioning that the Church taught that Jews were at fault for the death of Christ. How can I help to bring her, and myself, into the Catholic family…while reconciling for the previous failures of the Church? More importantly, how do I describe the Catholic Church as compared to the Lutheran faith?


#2

Try to show her that salvation also exists in the Catholic Church. Explain the Eucharist and confront the charge of it being a symbol if she makes one. (Try going to pray at an adoration chapel together.) There are huge differences yet Christ is agreed upon. What else do you need? Try to seek answers together in the presence and influence of God.

-D


#3

I say, learn about the foundation of the Church. Learn what the Church has taught for the last 2000 years. Learn the history. Also go to mass together.


#4

In all love, it sounds as if both of you need to become more informed on what the Catholic Church really teaches rather than filtering it through myths and half-understandings. Consider joining an RCIA class. I also recommend a book by Fr. Triglio, Catholicism For Dummies. Please don’t be put off by the title: it is an excellent and reliable resource. It is available at major bookstore chains ot here:

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#5

[quote=Nebrfan]My girlfriend and I are serious enough to be speaking of marriage. I was raised Catholic and attended Catholic high school (however not confirmed), she was raised very loosely as Lutheran. We both agree that when we bring children into this world that we should attend service as a family. I am drawn to the Catholic Faith, however, she is reluctant…partially due to recent events (sex scandals) but also because of much more distant, less inclusive teachings…i.e. mentioning that the Church taught that Jews were at fault for the death of Christ. How can I help to bring her, and myself, into the Catholic family…while reconciling for the previous failures of the Church? More importantly, how do I describe the Catholic Church as compared to the Lutheran faith?
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Hi Nebfran -

I can contribute a bit here. I hi-lited two things above that struck me.

The first one about the sex scandals - The truth is that it is the individuals themselves who commited the acts that are at fault, NOT the church. I will agree that the church herself could have handled the situation better, but, the issue is being addressed by all involved, and the criminals are going to jail. Only closed minded negative people choose to use these criminal actions to somehow blame the church.

The second one about the Jews, ask her where she got her information because it is wrong. Make sure she tells you exactly where the church taught this from Catholic Church documents. If it was at one time a teaching of the church, then she is choosing to hold onto past issues and to use them to negatively focus as an excuse.

Here is the church teaching about the Jews from the Catechism: usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt3art9p3.htm

*The Church and non-Christians


**839 **"Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."325

The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,326 "the first to hear the Word of God."327 The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God’s revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews “belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ”;328 "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."329

**840 **And when one considers the future, God’s People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.

I hope this helps.
Subrosa


#6

The sex scandal was horrible, However it was some individuals - we cannot blame the church for the wrong doings of a few. The true church teachings are contrary to the actions of those people.

As for ‘blaming the jews’ this is frankly, silly. Yes there were Jews and Romans present. That’s because theren’t “Christians” then. Jesus was a Jew! AND Christ died for ALL of us. We are ALL to blame, past present future - all demoninations. The Church as an institution does not “blame the jews”

I suggest you both meet with a priest and discuss the next RCIA course. The priest can help out with these questions that are not church teaching.

I joined RCIA last year, it was the best thing I EVER did.


#7

I hope this doesn’t sound mean… but from what I’ve seen, marriages of different religions rarely turn out well.


#8

[quote=Nebrfan]My girlfriend and I are serious enough to be speaking of marriage. I was raised Catholic and attended Catholic high school (however not confirmed), she was raised very loosely as Lutheran. We both agree that when we bring children into this world that we should attend service as a family. I am drawn to the Catholic Faith, however, she is reluctant… More importantly, how do I describe the Catholic Church as compared to the Lutheran faith?
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Try this:


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