! corinth 15;50?

Flesh and blood cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Whats the rcc teaching on this verse? :confused: God Bless

[quote=SPOKENWORD]Flesh and blood cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Whats the rcc teaching on this verse? :confused: God Bless
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Spoken, there are actually very few scriptural passages infallibly defined by the Catholic Church. I have never seen this passage dogmatically defined.

The full passage from the KJV:
50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Frpm the Douay-Rheims:
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot possess the kingdom of God: neither shall corruption possess incorruption.

The RSV:
50: I tell you this, brethren: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

The next verse helps explain:
51: Lo! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Our corruptible bodies will be changed. Paul is not certain of exactly how we are to be changed:
1 Corinthians 2:9
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

Jesus tells us in Mark 12:
25For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

It is a mystery with plenty of clues.

Peace in Christ…Salmon

[quote=SPOKENWORD]Flesh and blood cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Whats the rcc teaching on this verse? :confused: God Bless
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Hi tea partner! What are we drinkin’ today?

What exactly are you tryin’ to ask here? I mean it’s not like the Catholic Church stays up nights defining stuff that hasn’t been attacked by someone outside the church.

So…what are you really asking, and how does this relate to the Church? I’m not really sure just what you’re asking for here…
Pax vobiscum,

This is just my humble interpretation:

Well I think most people believe that Jesus’ resurrection included His body. The tomb was empty. Then He ascended. That means his flesh and blood went with him. Likewise, Elijah was assumed, so his flesh and blood went too (so was Mary, but Prots don’t believe this).

I think the point of this passage is that people are too attached to worldly pleasures, pleasures that satisfy only flesh and blood. Perhaps this passage is better read as “flesh and blood alone will not inherit the kingdom” (oh man, I’m just like Luther! ). People need to worry about their spiritual well being as well, morso even than their physical well being. Does that make sense?

To me, it sounds like the purification of Purgatory.

[quote=SPOKENWORD]Flesh and blood cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
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Well, Spokenword! :rolleyes:

I don’t understand the intention about taking one sentence out of its context and than ask how it is to be understood ??? The whole of chapter 15 is St. Paul writing about the the resurrection of the dead to the people in Corint.

The reason for writing the TOTAL letter was divisions among the christians in Corint, among the jews that had become christian and among the ”gentile-christians” that had converted. Division breaks the unity (the catholicity) and St. Paul tried , among other, to help them to understand that what they put in their mouth for feeding themselves was not important for the aim to reach the ”end station” in such a condition that they, like Christ, could have a new resurrected body to live in for ever.

Verse 35 – 37 (Capter 15 NRSV) sounds like this: ” 35 But someone will ask, ‘How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?’ 36Fool! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37And as for what you sow, you do not sow the body that is to be, but a bare seed, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain.”

So it is not the body that we ”sow” in the grave when sombody dies in the friedship of God, that will ”pup up of earth” in the same condition that we ”sowed” it , but a glorified resurrected body will emerge in heaven were the soul also is!

The moral is , Spokenword, that it is not what you eat for breskfast that will get you to heaven, but that you have tried to live a life in accordance with the catholic teaching (St . Paul represent an apostel of the catholic church): **reading the Bible, pray every day, go to confession, trust in God, go to Church at least at Sundays and recieve the Holy Eucarist. **

If you dont’ understand catholic doctrine, there still is hope for you accordibg to CCC 845 - 846: **845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son’s Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is “the world reconciled.” She is that bark which “in the full sail of the Lord’s cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world.” According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah’s ark, which alone saves from the flood.

“Outside the Church there is no salvation”

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it."**

I think the most resonable way to look at your sentence: ” Flesh and blood cannot enter into the kingdom of God”, is that it must remind us that it is not the focus on small unnecessary things in life that counts, but to never loose sight of the eternal destination! :slight_smile:

God bless!
G. Grace

SPOKENWORD,

I think the answer to your question is in the context. I would suggest starting at 1 Cor 15:41 and continuing through verse 54 to get the full drift of what is being said. The verses read as follows:

"There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory. So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable, what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a physical body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual body. Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. But it is not the spiritual which is first but the physical, and then the spiritual. The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. As was the man of dust, so are those who are of the dust; and as is the man of heaven, so are those who are of heaven. Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven. I tell you this, brethren: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Lo! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable nature must put on the imperishable, and this mortal nature must put on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

It would seem that these verses are talking about the glorified body that is given to the saved at the time of the Resurrection. The merits of Jesus death and resurrection provide us redemption and His glorified body shows us what we can expect at the resurrection of the dead. A mortal body is not suitable for heaven, but an immortal glorified body is. Clearly, Enoch and Elijah have, by a special privilege, been given immortal bodies although scripture does not specifically say so. Enoch and Elijah were taken bodily into heaven and we can deduce from the above scipture passages that their bodies must have been made “imperishable.” This would also apply to the blessed virgin Mary when God assumed her into heaven body and soul.

I hope this helps.

[quote=Pax]SPOKENWORD,

I think the answer to your question is in the context. I would suggest starting at 1 Cor 15:41 and continuing through verse 54 to get the full drift of what is being said. The verses read as follows:

"There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory. So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable, what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a physical body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual body. Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. But it is not the spiritual which is first but the physical, and then the spiritual. The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. As was the man of dust, so are those who are of the dust; and as is the man of heaven, so are those who are of heaven. Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven. I tell you this, brethren: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Lo! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable nature must put on the imperishable, and this mortal nature must put on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

It would seem that these verses are talking about the glorified body that is given to the saved at the time of the Resurrection. The merits of Jesus death and resurrection provide us redemption and His glorified body shows us what we can expect at the resurrection of the dead. A mortal body is not suitable for heaven, but an immortal glorified body is. Clearly, Enoch and Elijah have, by a special privilege, been given immortal bodies although scripture does not specifically say so. Enoch and Elijah were taken bodily into heaven and we can deduce from the above scipture passages that their bodies must have been made “imperishable.” This would also apply to the blessed virgin Mary when God assumed her into heaven body and soul.

I hope this helps.
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Hi Pax, If scripture says our bodies will be like Christs and that is glorified, what makes one think that our flesh and blood will enter in?. :confused: God Bless

SPOKENWORD,

The scriptures make it clear that we will enter heaven or hell with a resurrected body. “Flesh and blood,” as it is used in Corinthians 15:50, refers to our bodies in their current perishable state. Even Jesus body when it was in it’s perishable state never entered heaven. We will be transformed to an imperishable state and will then be able to enter heaven. The apostles saw and touched Jesus after his resurrection. Jesus even consumed food after his resurrection. Jesus’s glorified body, as seen by the apostles, is an example of what our glorified bodies will be like. If the glorified body has flesh and blood it will be of an imperishable nature and will therefore be able to enter heaven. This is really all the passage is talking about. Beyond that we simply get into foggy areas of speculation (or at least I do).

[quote=Pax]SPOKENWORD,

The scriptures make it clear that we will enter heaven or hell with a resurrected body. “Flesh and blood,” as it is used in Corinthians 15:50, refers to our bodies in their current perishable state. Even Jesus body when it was in it’s perishable state never entered heaven. We will be transformed to an imperishable state and will then be able to enter heaven. The apostles saw and touched Jesus after his resurrection. Jesus even consumed food after his resurrection. Jesus’s glorified body, as seen by the apostles, is an example of what our glorified bodies will be like. If the glorified body has flesh and blood it will be of an imperishable nature and will therefore be able to enter heaven. This is really all the passage is talking about. Beyond that we simply get into foggy areas of speculation (or at least I do).
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Hi Pax,Thanks for your input. God Bless

[quote=SPOKENWORD]Flesh and blood cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Whats the rcc teaching on this verse? :confused: God Bless
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The New Testament uses the phrase “flesh and blood” to refer to “natural man” or “natural means” (Matthew 16:17; 1 Corinthians 15:50; Ephesians 6:12; Galatians 1:16; Hebrews 2:14). Let’s take a look at Matthew 16:17.

And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, buy my Father who is in heaven.

We can see here that Peter did not receive this revelation from natural man (flesh and blood) but through the Father (supernatural source).

Therefore when Paul speaks of flesh and blood not attaining heaven, he means that “natural man” cannot attain heaven (1 Corinthians 15:50). That is why he follows up with (1 Corinthians 15:51-53):

Lo! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable nature must put on the imperishable, and this mortal nature must put on immortality.

Additionally, in verse 44 and 46 Paul compares the “physical body” and the “spiritual body.” The word used for “spiritual” here carries the meaning of “supernatural” and is translated as such in the NT (see for example 1 Corinthians 2:14 and 10:3-4).

Man’s natural body needs to be glorified and supernaturalized like Christ’s in order to enter heaven (Philippians 3:10-11, 20-21; Colossians 3:4; 2 Corinthians 3:18; 1 John 3:2, 3).

[quote=Mathetes007]The New Testament uses the phrase “flesh and blood” to refer to “natural man” or “natural means” (Matthew 16:17; 1 Corinthians 15:50; Ephesians 6:12; Galatians 1:16; Hebrews 2:14). Let’s take a look at Matthew 16:17.

We can see here that Peter did not receive this revelation from natural man (flesh and blood) but through the Father (supernatural source).

Therefore when Paul speaks of flesh and blood not attaining heaven, he means that “natural man” cannot attain heaven (1 Corinthians 15:50). That is why he follows up with (1 Corinthians 15:51-53):

Additionally, in verse 44 and 46 Paul compares the “physical body” and the “spiritual body.” The word used for “spiritual” here carries the meaning of “supernatural” and is translated as such in the NT (see for example 1 Corinthians 2:14 and 10:3-4).

Man’s natural body needs to be glorified and supernaturalized like Christ’s in order to enter heaven (Philippians 3:10-11, 20-21; Colossians 3:4; 2 Corinthians 3:18; 1 John 3:2, 3).
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Hi Mathetes, Thank you,Its the same way I see it. :thumbsup: God Bless

Which bible translation reads “Flesh and blood can not enter the kingdom of God” as opposed to **inherit **or possess the kingdom of God?

There is a difference between “enter” and “inherit.”

Spoken, you used the word “enter.”

Which translation is that?

When Elijah and Moses appeared with Jesus as he was transfigured they all “appeared in glory.” Moses and Elijah had glorified bodies.

Any comments on why Jesus would not permit Mary Magdalene to hold him before he ascended to the Father? John 20:17

[quote=MarkAnthonyCozy]Which bible translation reads “Flesh and blood can not enter the kingdom of God” as opposed to **inherit **or possess the kingdom of God?

There is a difference between “enter” and “inherit.”

Spoken, you used the word “enter.”

Which translation is that?

When Elijah and Moses appeared with Jesus as he was transfigured they all “appeared in glory.” Moses and Elijah had glorified bodies.

Any comments on why Jesus would not permit Mary Magdalene to hold him before he ascended to the Father? John 20:17
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Hi Mark, Inherit is the correct word. I believe Jesus body was not yet in its glorified state.Jesus did not want anything unclean touching him.God Bless

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